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Valve seems to have quietly rolled out a major upgrade to their Anti-Cheat system and it’s apparently wrecking havoc on cheat providers

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  • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

    https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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    I was blissfully unaware, probably because I'm not cheating scum.

    Couldn't have happened to a better community of people.

    Fuck cheaters.

    IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn't have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don't fucking play it competitively?

    There's a reason I've kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn't fun.

    If you're a cheater, get wrecked.

    Bravo valve. Bravo.

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      Ig buying a game will give Valve + the dev/publisher Money (cause Valve Takes 30%)

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      Yeah. Go buy hollow Knight, or schedule 1, or anything from an indie studio. Support both good devs and studios, and valve. And you even get a fun game to go with your support. Honestly, everyone wins.

      .... Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?

      You think you're going to get anti-cheat this good from the likes of epic? Ha.

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        Jesus Christ... Why are people like this?

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        .... Because when it comes to billionaires, gaben is the least of our concern?

        Don't get me wrong, billionaires are always bad, but not all billionaires are hated.

        You won't see Bezos doing anything that helps people, not unless it will line his pockets. Valve doesn't charge us for using vac, they're unlikely to sell a lot of new copies of CS2 by making it harder to cheat in the game. They have nearly zero financial reasons to bother with any of this. They did it anyways.

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          I was blissfully unaware, probably because I'm not cheating scum.

          Couldn't have happened to a better community of people.

          Fuck cheaters.

          IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn't have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don't fucking play it competitively?

          There's a reason I've kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn't fun.

          If you're a cheater, get wrecked.

          Bravo valve. Bravo.

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          I used to cheat in GunZ online, but to be fair, I was like 11, the game wasn't competitive, and leveling up for cooler gear and to unlock new maps was HARD work.

          Eventually I'd git semi gud and stopped bothering with the cheats. But it was fun as hell flying through the map with no clip, as a ball of fire that killed everything except other cheaters with godmode lmao

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            When I was a little kid and I ran into cheaters in Halo: Custom Edition I still hated them and would never do it. I don't think being a bored little kid is an excuse.

            That said if you don't do it anymore that's a little more excusable at least you stopped.

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            A big part of the boredom was the fact there was other cheaters ruining the same game.

            But yeah, I wouldn't use cheats now

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              Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel.

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              Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel

              So this will solve the linux client not working because of crappy kernel level anti-cheat software?

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                They made it much easier to setup private lobbies for friends and crew. Haven't played in public lobbies in years.

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                While private lobbies certainly help weed out the bullshit, if a modder was determined enough they could copy your Rockstar ID and use that to follow you from lobby to lobby regardless of its privacy restrictions.

                Logging someones Rockstar ID might as well make them your friend, depending on the mod menu they could receive notifications on when you’re online/offline.

                Here is a common mod menu that was popular prior to the anti-cheat update, I think they have shutdown now.

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                  Nah, if someone on my PvE team is cheating/exploiting that still ruins the experience. I play games like that to get better, the skill improvement is a huge part of the experience for me.

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                  Yeah, one of my friends had a random person join his game and give him like 1000 account levels, whatever they were called. Basically finished a huge chunk of the end game progression for him, and we never found a clean way to undo it, since it was account-bound progression.

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                    I used to cheat in GunZ online, but to be fair, I was like 11, the game wasn't competitive, and leveling up for cooler gear and to unlock new maps was HARD work.

                    Eventually I'd git semi gud and stopped bothering with the cheats. But it was fun as hell flying through the map with no clip, as a ball of fire that killed everything except other cheaters with godmode lmao

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                    Woohoo to being responsible for others not having any fun playing a game!

                    Woo!
                    Woooooo.

                    What?

                    I don't know why you would admit this.

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                    • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksO [email protected]

                      While private lobbies certainly help weed out the bullshit, if a modder was determined enough they could copy your Rockstar ID and use that to follow you from lobby to lobby regardless of its privacy restrictions.

                      Logging someones Rockstar ID might as well make them your friend, depending on the mod menu they could receive notifications on when you’re online/offline.

                      Here is a common mod menu that was popular prior to the anti-cheat update, I think they have shutdown now.

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                      From what you're saying, it sounds like you have to be in a public lobby first, then hop into private for them to get your id. Can they get your id without ever being in the lobby or any contact at all? Currently you can just go into single player and start a private lobby. Idk how the enhanced edition does, I'm assuming it's the same. I haven't played in a couple years, so getting into a private lobby might have changed.

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                        Woohoo to being responsible for others not having any fun playing a game!

                        Woo!
                        Woooooo.

                        What?

                        I don't know why you would admit this.

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                        Because they were 11. Lol.

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                        • kneetitts@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                          Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel

                          So this will solve the linux client not working because of crappy kernel level anti-cheat software?

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                          nah, am talking about Games with VAC being well known for not properly catching hackers, and i assume this made the anticheat in games better not the steam client itself.

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                            Yeah. Go buy hollow Knight, or schedule 1, or anything from an indie studio. Support both good devs and studios, and valve. And you even get a fun game to go with your support. Honestly, everyone wins.

                            .... Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?

                            You think you're going to get anti-cheat this good from the likes of epic? Ha.

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                            … Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?

                            what about GOG?

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                            • mugita_sokiovt@discuss.onlineM [email protected]

                              GTA is a disgusting franchise, and the content in the games is just awful. Maybe the stories are good, but do you really need to insert heavy esex and substance use into a game like that? That's called desensitization, and I'm sensitive to quite a few things (not this fake sensitivity that's floating around... legit sensitivity).

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                              So that's why you don't play GTA. I don't agree, but you do you.

                              To get back on topic, why don't you play older games as you said. That's specifically what the other user asked.

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                                .... Because when it comes to billionaires, gaben is the least of our concern?

                                Don't get me wrong, billionaires are always bad, but not all billionaires are hated.

                                You won't see Bezos doing anything that helps people, not unless it will line his pockets. Valve doesn't charge us for using vac, they're unlikely to sell a lot of new copies of CS2 by making it harder to cheat in the game. They have nearly zero financial reasons to bother with any of this. They did it anyways.

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                                Theyre more likely to keep the skin economy alive by making people enjoy the game. It's not like they have no incentive.

                                But yea I very much agree gabe is not the problem. If every billionaire acted like gabe the world would probably be a whole lot better, even if they'd still waste a lot of ressources. Because at least he hasn't sold his basic human decency for more money, he just spends his insane amounts of money on excessive luxury. And valve actually takes risks on new products, and is content with their store shitting money instead of trying to make it shit money faster like every publically traded company.

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                                  Because they were 11. Lol.

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                                  Yeah exactly, at that age knowing how to download cheats and stuff actually made you feel sorta cool, not everyone could figure it out (and I know most kids wanted to).

                                  Then realising it's more fun without the cheats, just getting good at the game, I'd even dare call it a story of personal development.

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                                  • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                                    https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                                    I just wish the anti cheat on Warzone was just as good...

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                                    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comS [email protected]

                                      I mean, to me, this is amazingly obviously the goal.

                                      Games run better ~5% fps better now on Linux (when using a distro configured for gaming) than they do on Windows.

                                      As you say, last technical obstacle is kernel AC rootkits.

                                      Solve that, anyone still gaming on Windows is a MSFT fanboy, afraid of change, whatever.

                                      But they have very little actual solid reason to remain on Windows.

                                      Start getting people outta Windows for home PCs, it becomes basically just a shitty corpo OS.

                                      Rather, not OS... but ecosystem.

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                                      I'd actually imagine for non-Microsoft properties, they would have all the more reason to run away from Windows to linux as soon as the anticheat issue is resolved.

                                      I'd imagine they would come to the same conclusion that Gaben had with Win8: Relying on Microsoft "never restricting" the installation of software outside of the windows/Xbox store in the future is a huge gamble. Better to avoid the risk entirely.

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                                        Can I write them off on my taxes if I never play them?

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                                        Become a game reviewer and write them off as a business expense

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                                        • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                                          Counter Strike 2 has a massive problem with cheaters because Valve refuse to make VAC operate at the kernel level.

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