Valve seems to have quietly rolled out a major upgrade to their Anti-Cheat system and it’s apparently wrecking havoc on cheat providers
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I think that the (only) relevant factor is whether everyone else knows and wants it. Suppose your mod affected only yourself (so other players wouldn't know about it) and you played in a way that was mostly reasonable, but providing a little bit more covering fire than should be possible. Your teammates might still have fun while they're playing, though only if you don't overdo it; but even then, they probably wouldn't be too happy to discover your cheating once they'd already finished the map. If you give everyone infinite ammo, and tell them about it then that's fine, but because they know about it, not because they benefit from it.
For that matter, cheating in a competitive server set up for that purpose can be fun (though it can also be wildly unbalanced, especially if the game is asymmetrical)
Yeah, if everyone is in on it then it's not cheating, it's "house rules" as they say for board games
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numbers please
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You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process
As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yeah, I have a very thoroughly ingrained suspicion of people treating anticheat with too much confidence stemming back to when I got banned many years ago from an online game for supposedly running a script.
I had so much lag on my dialup connection, that a backlog of all my commands hit their server at the same time, so from their perspective it looked like I'd entered over a dozen commands in under a second. Insta ban, no appeal, essentially lost access to a significant percentage of my online friends that it hadn't occurred to me to get email addresses for.
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At this point I nearly want to "donate" to Valve...
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That would be absurd for me to suggest. I was not claiming that all “hacking” no matter how you define the word, as bad.
I was just stating the source of the problem here. Everyone is really sensitive about the fact.
Re-read your original comment, m8. If you really didn’t want to condemn all hacking, then you did a good job stating the exact opposite.
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This is certainly one of the comparisons of all time
Consequence of sentencing the wrong person to death: You killed an innocent life in an irreversible action.
Consequence of permabanning a player from an online game: The player can no longer play the game. The action is also reversible since "permaban" just means to say "we're never unbanning you unless something extraordinary were to happen".
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shadowbanning to cheater-only servers sounds like nice middle ground to me
Fall Guy did that. The consequence was a lot of videos with everyone cheating.
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You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process
As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive
If, to you, not being able to play one game in the sea of many many many games is akin to death, maybe you need to see someone about addiction.
If you cheat in a game, you've burned your bridge. It's like taking a piss in the cereal isle of Kmart, you probably won't be welcome in that Kmart any more. Or hey, maybe you'll end up like an acquaintance I knew who was banned from a Kmart, maybe you'll be hired on as staff without them checking the binder of banned people. I think I've lost the plot of this analogy.
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Doxxing them implies releasing their personal information, and if you think cheating in a video game is that serious there's something very wrong with you.
I'd be fine with them getting an icon on the stream profile
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The problem is people existing.
Ugh. People. What a bunch of bastards
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I did finally win a match in CS2 after a long loss streak.. it was definitely because everyone else was always cheating... not because I'm shit...
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You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process
As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive
In the worst case scenario offender can just create another Steam account, so permaban is fine.
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Valve demonstrating that anticheat doesn't require a rootkit.
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They will have working cheats by now. It really needs to be consistent effort to keep cheaters away.
I think this is great they're doing stuff now though, keep it up!
VACnet is built to be consistent
They have been training for two years
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I did finally win a match in CS2 after a long loss streak.. it was definitely because everyone else was always cheating... not because I'm shit...
Still in like 5k cause I'm shite
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I can only hope this affects TF2 as well. I used to play competitively and the line between cheater and god-tier is so blurry sometimes, especially with how hard it is to spectate now. The one and only time I was certain someone was cheating was when I tried to rocket jump around a corner and got killed by a prefired airshot from a direct hit, aka they couldn't even see me when they fired and still hit me 50 feet in the air the same instant I came around the corner.
And of course their team wouldn't kick em because people still think it's impossible to cheat with projectiles
wrote last edited by [email protected]I've seen shockingly few TF2 cheaters. Some people are just cracked as hell at that game
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Doxxing them implies releasing their personal information, and if you think cheating in a video game is that serious there's something very wrong with you.
I think people who cheat at online games are likely to also be shitheads IRL but doxxing them would be crazy lol
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I've often thought that the cheaters should be simply shadow banned, and only match with other cheaters. Let them play against the other cheaters and see how well they do.
I think Valve should have only recorded which players were cheating for a few weeks, then ban them all at once. Would avoid them disabling cheats now they know and would also make it more difficult to figure out what exactly is VAC detecting.
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You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process
As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive
Found a cheater
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Shit, I play in easy mode. And I sometimes look up hints online. But yeah, I only play single player stuff so I don't feel like I'm cheating anyone.
