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Valve seems to have quietly rolled out a major upgrade to their Anti-Cheat system and it’s apparently wrecking havoc on cheat providers

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  • A [email protected]

    This is certainly one of the comparisons of all time

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    Consequence of sentencing the wrong person to death: You killed an innocent life in an irreversible action.

    Consequence of permabanning a player from an online game: The player can no longer play the game. The action is also reversible since "permaban" just means to say "we're never unbanning you unless something extraordinary were to happen".

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    • I [email protected]

      shadowbanning to cheater-only servers sounds like nice middle ground to me

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      Fall Guy did that. The consequence was a lot of videos with everyone cheating.

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        You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process

        As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive

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        If, to you, not being able to play one game in the sea of many many many games is akin to death, maybe you need to see someone about addiction.

        If you cheat in a game, you've burned your bridge. It's like taking a piss in the cereal isle of Kmart, you probably won't be welcome in that Kmart any more. Or hey, maybe you'll end up like an acquaintance I knew who was banned from a Kmart, maybe you'll be hired on as staff without them checking the binder of banned people. I think I've lost the plot of this analogy.

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        • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

          Doxxing them implies releasing their personal information, and if you think cheating in a video game is that serious there's something very wrong with you.

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          I'd be fine with them getting an icon on the stream profile

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            The problem is people existing.

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            Ugh. People. What a bunch of bastards

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            • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

              https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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              I did finally win a match in CS2 after a long loss streak.. it was definitely because everyone else was always cheating... not because I'm shit...

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              • T [email protected]

                You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process

                As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive

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                In the worst case scenario offender can just create another Steam account, so permaban is fine.

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                • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                  https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                  Valve demonstrating that anticheat doesn't require a rootkit.

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                  • G [email protected]

                    They will have working cheats by now. It really needs to be consistent effort to keep cheaters away.

                    I think this is great they're doing stuff now though, keep it up!

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                    VACnet is built to be consistent

                    They have been training for two years

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                    • P [email protected]

                      I did finally win a match in CS2 after a long loss streak.. it was definitely because everyone else was always cheating... not because I'm shit...

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                      Still in like 5k cause I'm shite

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                      • B [email protected]

                        I can only hope this affects TF2 as well. I used to play competitively and the line between cheater and god-tier is so blurry sometimes, especially with how hard it is to spectate now. The one and only time I was certain someone was cheating was when I tried to rocket jump around a corner and got killed by a prefired airshot from a direct hit, aka they couldn't even see me when they fired and still hit me 50 feet in the air the same instant I came around the corner.

                        And of course their team wouldn't kick em because people still think it's impossible to cheat with projectiles 😞

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                        I've seen shockingly few TF2 cheaters. Some people are just cracked as hell at that game

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                        • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

                          Doxxing them implies releasing their personal information, and if you think cheating in a video game is that serious there's something very wrong with you.

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                          I think people who cheat at online games are likely to also be shitheads IRL but doxxing them would be crazy lol

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                          • E [email protected]

                            I've often thought that the cheaters should be simply shadow banned, and only match with other cheaters. Let them play against the other cheaters and see how well they do.

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                            I think Valve should have only recorded which players were cheating for a few weeks, then ban them all at once. Would avoid them disabling cheats now they know and would also make it more difficult to figure out what exactly is VAC detecting.

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                            • T [email protected]

                              You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process

                              As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive

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                              Found a cheater

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                              • regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                                Shit, I play in easy mode. And I sometimes look up hints online. But yeah, I only play single player stuff so I don't feel like I'm cheating anyone.

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                                • U [email protected]

                                  At this point I nearly want to "donate" to Valve...

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                                  That's what we call having hundred of untouched games in the steam library. Right?

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                                  • T [email protected]

                                    You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process

                                    As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive

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                                    I agree, they should instead do a 10 gazillion year temp ban. I expect people would change by that point

                                    /j

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                                      *wreaking havoc

                                      Though I kinda like the wrecking sentiment

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                                      TIL wreaking is a word. Whops

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                                        At this point I nearly want to "donate" to Valve...

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                                        Gabe needs another megayacht

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                                        • T [email protected]

                                          You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn't have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process

                                          As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn't a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive

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                                          Bro touch grass. Seriously likening a VAC ban with the death penalty?! You can just email someone if you got banned; if you wrongfully died from the death penalty you can't just phone the judge and ask him to recheck lmao

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