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In Response to Amazon preventing to download books you bought: Some DRM free bookstores and publishers

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    I recently switched to Kobo as a Kindle alternative, but that also highlighted a problem. Kindle Unlimited includes a TOS for publishers that prevents them from selling their books on any other platform. A significant chunk of the Kindle catalogue is also included in Kindle Unlimited, which means a significant chunk of authors works are locked into the Amazon ecosystem.

    It's been very annoying to discover how many book series I've been reading that are simply unavailable elsewhere because they opted to take part in Kindle Unlimited.

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    Kobo was bought by Rakuten in 2012, Rakuten is the Japanese Amazon, except it failed to fully scale internationally.

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      To my knowledge, Sanderson has not spoken out against Kindle*. His kickstarter was mostly to advertise Dragonsteel which is likely going to become his own publishing house at some point.

      And while... fuck amazon, Kindle is a ridiculously author friendly platform to publish on and is the only reason we have so many amazing self published authors these days. And while KU is not great per book, it is an excellent way to get people interested in an author and buy their latest books. I strongly encourage actually reading what authors say instead of what users and armchair financial analysts do.

      *: I would be incredibly shocked if he did. I think he is definitely becoming more "woke" than "mormon" these days based off his writing and character details but he is still very much a business person

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      It was audible he spoke up about and released his secret books on other audiobooks platforms like Spotify and some others.

      https://youtu.be/-ihr7hMl7JY?feature=shared

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        To my knowledge, Sanderson has not spoken out against Kindle*. His kickstarter was mostly to advertise Dragonsteel which is likely going to become his own publishing house at some point.

        And while... fuck amazon, Kindle is a ridiculously author friendly platform to publish on and is the only reason we have so many amazing self published authors these days. And while KU is not great per book, it is an excellent way to get people interested in an author and buy their latest books. I strongly encourage actually reading what authors say instead of what users and armchair financial analysts do.

        *: I would be incredibly shocked if he did. I think he is definitely becoming more "woke" than "mormon" these days based off his writing and character details but he is still very much a business person

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        He did speak out against Audible though, but mentioned he was afraid of making him an enemy of Amazon.

        https://www.brandonsanderson.com/blogs/blog/state-of-the-sanderson-2022

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          To my knowledge, Sanderson has not spoken out against Kindle*. His kickstarter was mostly to advertise Dragonsteel which is likely going to become his own publishing house at some point.

          And while... fuck amazon, Kindle is a ridiculously author friendly platform to publish on and is the only reason we have so many amazing self published authors these days. And while KU is not great per book, it is an excellent way to get people interested in an author and buy their latest books. I strongly encourage actually reading what authors say instead of what users and armchair financial analysts do.

          *: I would be incredibly shocked if he did. I think he is definitely becoming more "woke" than "mormon" these days based off his writing and character details but he is still very much a business person

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          Unfortunately Kindle Unlimited is a Faustian bargain due to the exclusivity clause. We're now stuck in a catch 22. There are excellent (for consumers) alternatives out there to Kindle/Amazon, the most prominent of which is Kobo which has a variety of very competitive e-readers. Additionally Kobo Plus is essentially Kindle Unlimited, although I don't know for sure whether it has an exclusivity clause (I hope it doesn't, and the policies of Kobo make me suspect not, but I haven't confirmed that). The biggest problem from a consumers perspective is simply that many authors works are just not available from the Kobo (or other) store.

          However the consumer perspective is only half the picture. From the perspective of an author/publisher Kindle is undeniably the largest platform out there with Kobo being one of their largest competitors (in terms of e-readers, I suspect in just ebooks Apple is bigger) and it's minuscule compared to Kindle. While functionally the Kobo store and Kobo Plus give everything that the Kindle store and Kindle Unlimited do, what they are severely lacking in is customers. An author could choose to publish on Kindle and Kobo as well as make their books available on Kobo Plus, doing so means foregoing the option of Kindle Unlimited which will result in fewer consumers having access to that authors works at least in the short term.

          So we arrive at the catch 22. Consumers get a much better deal with Kobo, but lose access to many of the authors works they may want to read. Authors need to stick with Kindle and Kindle Unlimited if they want to reach as many consumers as they can, but doing so discourages consumers from switching to Kindle/Kindle Unlimited alternatives like Kobo/Kobo Plus. Until enough consumers move off Kindle Unlimited authors won't want to abandon it, but until enough authors abandon it consumers will struggle to move off of Kindle Unlimited.

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            I recently switched to Kobo as a Kindle alternative, but that also highlighted a problem. Kindle Unlimited includes a TOS for publishers that prevents them from selling their books on any other platform. A significant chunk of the Kindle catalogue is also included in Kindle Unlimited, which means a significant chunk of authors works are locked into the Amazon ecosystem.

            It's been very annoying to discover how many book series I've been reading that are simply unavailable elsewhere because they opted to take part in Kindle Unlimited.

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            If the company won't allow the books to be easily accessible, make them easily accessible.

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              Once again, "if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing."

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                Anyone got store recs for non-english books?

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                  Kobo was bought by Rakuten in 2012, Rakuten is the Japanese Amazon, except it failed to fully scale internationally.

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                  While that may be true, so far at least they seem to be doing an OK job. Their ebooks are often sold sans-DRM, and in the cases they aren't every one I've gotten has used Adobe Digital Editions which are easy to strip the DRM from (and is a wildly supported standard unlike Amazon's proprietary DRM scheme). Additionally their e-reader devices, while not open hardware are repairable with disassembly guides provided by them and they even sell replacement components like screens. I have not verified this claim, but they also claim to use recycled plastic for manufacturing them and recycled cardboard for their packaging (should you care about such things).

                  For better or worse, if you want a Kindle like experience, you're likely going to be forced into working with a large-ish corporation, but despite the average experience when doing so that doesn't mean that corporation must be an evil anti-consumer hellscape of rapaciousness and greed. So far at least, Rakuten/Kobo seem to be doing OK by their customers.

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                    Kobo was bought by Rakuten in 2012, Rakuten is the Japanese Amazon, except it failed to fully scale internationally.

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                    As long as Kobo supports epub, I think it's fine. They still support my H20 Aura from 2015, I'm not complaining.

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                      I recently switched to Kobo as a Kindle alternative, but that also highlighted a problem. Kindle Unlimited includes a TOS for publishers that prevents them from selling their books on any other platform. A significant chunk of the Kindle catalogue is also included in Kindle Unlimited, which means a significant chunk of authors works are locked into the Amazon ecosystem.

                      It's been very annoying to discover how many book series I've been reading that are simply unavailable elsewhere because they opted to take part in Kindle Unlimited.

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                      Related question: are Kindle Unlimited books digital only? Can you not buy physical copies of it?

                      Ngl I still buy physical books, and I use my ereader to check out ebooks from the library and/or sail the high seas, so I have no idea what's going on in the ebook ecosystems.

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                        Related question: are Kindle Unlimited books digital only? Can you not buy physical copies of it?

                        Ngl I still buy physical books, and I use my ereader to check out ebooks from the library and/or sail the high seas, so I have no idea what's going on in the ebook ecosystems.

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                        Sort of? Kindle Unlimited itself is digital only, but the exclusivity clause only applies to ebooks I think, so in theory you could purchase a physical copy elsewhere.

                        I've pretty much entirely abandoned physical books. It's just far more convenient using an e-reader which has a backlight for reading in the dark, fits thousands of books in a device that's pocket sized, and let's me instantly purchase, download, and start reading the next book in a series as soon as I finish the last one.

                        I do have physical books still, but I haven't bought new ones in about a decade now.

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                          Sort of? Kindle Unlimited itself is digital only, but the exclusivity clause only applies to ebooks I think, so in theory you could purchase a physical copy elsewhere.

                          I've pretty much entirely abandoned physical books. It's just far more convenient using an e-reader which has a backlight for reading in the dark, fits thousands of books in a device that's pocket sized, and let's me instantly purchase, download, and start reading the next book in a series as soon as I finish the last one.

                          I do have physical books still, but I haven't bought new ones in about a decade now.

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                          I see, thanks for the explanation!

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                            Relevant XKCD : https://xkcd.com/488/

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                            • O [email protected]

                              I recently switched to Kobo as a Kindle alternative, but that also highlighted a problem. Kindle Unlimited includes a TOS for publishers that prevents them from selling their books on any other platform. A significant chunk of the Kindle catalogue is also included in Kindle Unlimited, which means a significant chunk of authors works are locked into the Amazon ecosystem.

                              It's been very annoying to discover how many book series I've been reading that are simply unavailable elsewhere because they opted to take part in Kindle Unlimited.

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                              This has been my issue as well.

                              And when you sail the high seas to liberate books. You might get the actually book, without issues. You might get a file named your book, that has 17 pages of that book and then the rest is a manual to fix a car.

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                                This has been my issue as well.

                                And when you sail the high seas to liberate books. You might get the actually book, without issues. You might get a file named your book, that has 17 pages of that book and then the rest is a manual to fix a car.

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                                There's an archive of books belonging to a certain anna, which has not failed me yet.

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                                  This has been my issue as well.

                                  And when you sail the high seas to liberate books. You might get the actually book, without issues. You might get a file named your book, that has 17 pages of that book and then the rest is a manual to fix a car.

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                                  Plus I actually want to support the authors. My issue is with Amazon not the authors, so I want to pay for the books I'm reading so they can keep making more of them. If I could buy the books directly from the authors in some cases I would, and in all cases if it was available from the Kobo store I'd be willing to buy it there. Unfortunately that damn exclusivity clause on Kindle Unlimited means my options for them are Amazon, Amazon, or Amazon (or roll the dice on piracy and not support the author, not to mention even when it is the book in question the quality is often poor).

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                                    I'm so in love with Anna.

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                                      There's an archive of books belonging to a certain anna, which has not failed me yet.

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                                      Me too brother. For some reason There's a lot of american classics that don't have a good scan on archive (totally forgot about project gutenberg) but Anna has served so well

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                                        You certainly don't want to use shodan to search server: "calibre"

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                                          You certainly don't want to use shodan to search server: "calibre"

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                                          And you definitely don't want to find an open ebook library to get kindle-only books.

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