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why the hell cant men stay out of women-only spaces?

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  • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

    purple!

    not sure how tossing irrelevant info matter, but there ya go!

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      Knowing that he loved coke and alcohol at this time makes this hairstyle make sense.

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        Say I'm a trans female. Can I post then? Trans man? Gay man? Gay woman?

        It's self policing. If they're being obnoxious or killing the environment or culture of the space, downvote/block/report and move on.

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        the rules are obvious, and trans inclusive.

        if it wasnt for the sheer volume of [presumed] idiots who cant seem to follow those rules i wouldnt have posted. the points is the reports and heavy moderation required.

        its like digital mansplaining

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        • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

          im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.

          the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.

          what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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          People in general want to be included and some even more so when they’re told they’re not allowed in.

          It’s easy when it’s a physical space, ropes and security keep the riff raff out. With online spaces, it requires active moderation, mods who are willing to enforce the rules and ban those that violate them.

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          • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

            im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.

            the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.

            what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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            As a woman there's no way you are not aware of exactly why that happens and the kind of guys that would do it on purpose...

            On accident? State it more clearly? Maybe throw in an explanation about why it's that way so you don't end up endlessly arguing the same stuff forever.

            Damn that's some turbo manmansplaining right here xD

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              the rules are clearly presented

              I use Voyager. Community rules are hidden unless you specifically go to that community page, open the menu, and select "sidebar". It's incredibly easy to miss.

              If a community only wants some people posting then a quick fix is to not allow just anyone to post to it.

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              I think generally if somebody does this genuinely they are politely told the rules but then some feel hard done by and start whining about it.

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              • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

                im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.

                the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.

                what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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                Do you have examples of women only communities? Because I have probably inadvertently done so. Admittedly, I probably also haven’t read the rules as my mobile client makes that stuff kind of hidden.

                I love the posts that come out witchesvspatriachy for example. That’s definitely female dominated, but I didn’t read the rules because, well, they didn’t show up in the all feed, so I don’t know if I shouldn’t post.

                I also think it’s good to get some outside opinion, occasionally, but female spaces need to remain female dominated for good reason.

                /me shrugs. Sorry if I’ve been the point of your annoyance

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                  "Why the hell can't blacks stay out of white only spaces"

                  Successful woman-focused spaces incorporate men, because men are fathers of daughters; brothers of sisters; sons of mothers; and partners, friends, coworkers, mentors, and teammates of women. Men are relevant and important to addressing women's issues.

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                  This is a false equivalency, my dude. There are definitely good reasons for people who generally face systemic discrimination (ie. Women, black people) to have separate communities from those they face discrimination from (men, white people). It’s not like they are trying to divorce themselves from society at large.

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                  • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

                    im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.

                    the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.

                    what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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                    Something about a women only space triggers people. Just look at the people replying here. They can't seem to help themselves.

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                    • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

                      im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.

                      the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.

                      what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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                      Lmao the thread shows all the exact problems laid bare.

                      You got the denial guy, you got the false equivalency guy, you got the not all men guy, just incredible they're all here.

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                      • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

                        are you one of the people doing this or should you have just stfu to start with as you have no actual information to contribute?

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                        I'm not standing up for Lembot's motivations, I don't know Lembot. But their comment on its own was pointing to a perception of your "What the fuck is wrong with you" remark generalizing intrusive behavior to all men, rather than just the intrusive men.

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                        • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

                          im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.

                          the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.

                          what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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                          Is this about the public community, Women's stuff, federated on the public fediverse who's posts get aggregated to the public all feed and which is accessed by a diverse set of software solutions that may or may not force the community rules to be visible before viewing post content?

                          I try not to engage cause I know about the community, but golly, I can't imagine how a man might stumble upon that and interact.

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                            Knowing that he loved coke and alcohol at this time makes this hairstyle make sense.

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                            • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

                              im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.

                              the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.

                              what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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                              Never been to a concert I see

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                                If the community is private you might have a point, but there are very public women's only communities on this platform who's conversations show up in the aggregate feeds--that's not just "conversing amongst themselves."

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                                  Lmao the thread shows all the exact problems laid bare.

                                  You got the denial guy, you got the false equivalency guy, you got the not all men guy, just incredible they're all here.

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                                  right! its like they came out of the woodwork to prove my point!

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                                    Don't like what you see in the mirror?

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                                    I know you edited your post, which still has things I think are wrong, but OP is absolutely correct based on your initial post… JS

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                                      I know you edited your post, which still has things I think are wrong, but OP is absolutely correct based on your initial post… JS

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                                      My edit was only adding the 2nd paragraph. And no, it is not wrong and the OP is not correct

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                                      • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.comO [email protected]

                                        right! its like they came out of the woodwork to prove my point!

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                                        Hold on, lemme willfully misinterpret your intent and reframe it so it's about meeee. I'm the good one let me innnnn

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                                          Honestly the varied mobile platforms don't always present the channel/groups rules in advance. Especially if one is just browsing trending topics. There can potentially be no way for some users to be informed enough before they see a topic they want to interact with.

                                          Best solution I found for similar issue is polite advisement of the rules via dm or other preferred method and helping them learn and have better internet etiquette.

                                          Calling folks out publicly can get alot of negative associations with it as well which might end with you group on the wrong end of a troll.

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                                          Yup, this is it for me. I blocked womenstuff, mostly so that they wouldn't have to deal with me stumbling in from sorting all by new.

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