I just hope Wayland has its accessibility shit together before then.

[priapus@sh.itjust.works]

GTK 4 was released in 2020, they also dropped the plus from the name in 2019. GTK 4 is much more opinionated and GNOME oriented than 3, I don't know if XFCE will ever switch to it honestly.

[thevoidzero@lemmy.world]

Yup, considering they deprecated so many functions and removed them I'd imagine switching would be really hard.

Even while writing my new projects in gtk4 (tiny projects) I run into problems of many solutions no longer working because the functions are removed without any replacements.

[kmacmartin@lemmy.ca]

KDE let's you do that first one, though it's ctrl+super. It's one of my favourite lesser known features.

[yoevli@lemmy.world]

X11 versus Wayland isn't some kind of holy war; Wayland was specifically designed as a successor protocol to the largely cobbled-together X and is objectively superior to it in most ways outside of accessibility.

[bruhduh@lemmy.world]

Right, as I've and many people here said, wayland is still not FULLY completed for AVERAGE user and said average user is not going to code patches, he just going to walk away from wayland and from Linux, and this is pushing the year of desktop Linux farther and farther from us

[reinar@distress.digital]

of course it's 'elitism' and not just a bunch of people volunteering to code shit that's interesting/relevant for them.

To provide 'non-elitist' desktop experience people need to sit down and fix bug backlog for hardware that's nowhere around them, prioritize features that are relevant to users (even if they are absolutely ass to work on) and etc, etc, etc. You know how it's called? A job.

[bruhduh@lemmy.world]

Aight, then why hyping forcefully deprecating fully working code base that provided more accessibility and robustness (x11)

[rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Because under the hood x11 code is such a hacky mess the developers found it easier to start from scratch than add new features like HDR and VRR to x11.

If new features don't matter to you, there's still plenty of distros and DE's and WM's that ship x11 and will continue for a very long time.

[yoevli@lemmy.world]

When is the last time you tried a Wayland DE? I can't speak to them all, but Plasma for one has been in really good shape for basically everything a typical user might want to do with it for around a year now.

[trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

I disagree with this characterization of Linux devs. They're just people. I'm sure there are some shitheads out there, but I don't think it's anymore the case than with any other sample of software devs.

I think the more likely reason that accessibility technology is an afterthought in Linux is because it's an afterthought in pretty much all software, which is a bad thing, but I haven't seen them be elitist about accessibility.

Some of the problem really is just that Linux graphical capabilities have been challenging enough enough that doing some of the extra demanding things that various access capabilities require weren't possible until recently (and some of them still aren't possible).

[lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org]

It's so superior that they finally added color in 2024!

[lefantome@programming.dev]

A lot of the non-GNOME GTK desktops have elected to stick with GTK3. They even maintain a suite of applications (Xapps) that many of them share.

GTK 4 and higher are increasingly GNOME only (not that you cannot run them elsewhere—they just won’t fit in).

[yoevli@lemmy.world]

Unless I'm mistaken, X has never had proper color management support in the first place.