UK Poll:Belief that Britain was right to vote to leave The EU falls to new low.
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This time, however, the right-wing ones are taking place in America and the UK... The exit from the EU has helped the right so much to weaken democracy in the West... then in combination with Trump... the beginning of the trade war... bringing more and more people closer to the right.
You mention AfD and Co? Look at how broken and corrupt systems in US and UK are first -
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As a political topic Brexit is becoming less and less relevant.
While people are regretting leaving, there is definitely not a clamouring to rejoin. The EU is barely discussed by politicians.
Rejoining would be without the opt outs the UK had so an actual debate on rejoining probably wouldn't get enough support to rejoin.
I dont see this being a political topic again for at least 10 years unless something dramatically changes. And if Le Pen becomes president of France, or AFD gain a share of power in Germany joining the EU may become even more politically toxic.
I wanted to remain, and I regret leaving but leaving has not been as disaterous as expected. Its not been good either but we can live with it.
And the best effect ironically is politicans are not incessantly fighting about the EU. I'm glad they are focusing on other issues now; the years around and after the brexit referendum were horrendous and factional. At least now the politicians are focused on the UKs actual issues such as public service and the economy.
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Well im not sure that is correct for the UK. The right wing Reform got 5 seats out of 650. The right wing conservatives vote collapsed and we have a large Labour majority.
So the right wing are not breaking through in the UK at the moment; if anything they have been pushed back and largely because of the incompetency and corruption of the Conservatives.
That may change - it is a constant battle - but the UK is not in the hands of authoritarian regime unlike the US. We certainly could do with electoral reform but for the next 5 years things internally are stable.
Meanwhile France is in crisis with parliament split in thirds between left, right and centre and no obvious candidate to stand against Le pen. And in Germany AFD keeps progressing gaining seats in regional elections. The german federal government is weak and unpopular, woth a perfect opportunity for extreme parties like AFD to make in roads.
And Hungary is already in the EU, and the EU has been unable to stop its descent into authoritarianism. Orban is nothing short of a trumpian dictator.
Honestly if you're in the EU I think you need to wake up to the threats around you. I honestly dont know how the EU will deal with these threats - the dangers are very real and very concerning. You already have a wolf in the sheep pen with Orban; he will undermine effective responses to Trump and can block meaningful change in the EU.
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The EU doesn't even think that much anymore about the UK. And the UK isn't that important anymore, and they struggle to accept that. Maybe they should focus on getting basic utilities working again for their citizens (like Water) and less about telling everyone how great they are. If you leave the bigger London Area, most parts of Eastern Europe look more prosperous and advanced
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It's not just Hungary. Just look at Romania's latest statement to divide up Ukraine, does Romania also want a piece of...
I come from Germany and democracy has already fallen. The EU is fucked, I'm not saying anything against that.
It wasn't the EU that got the ball rolling. It was the hostile behavior of the US and UK. Officially, right-wing extremism doesn't lead in your country... but it's already everywhere in sheep's clothing. BTW UK is so disgusting when it comes to surveillance etc of its own population... Hitler would have been happy about such a system... -
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It's not about redemption or something like that. EU membership is a process and open to all european countries. If UK wants to join again, we don't need an apology from the population.
(and, by the way: 2016 was 9 years ago. With a life expectancy of 78 years and a voting age of 18 a bigger part of those who voted for Brexit have already died. No one under 27 was even able to vote. The migrant population also had no vote here)
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Don't put all people of the UK in the same basket please.
We are stronger if we are united. Vengeance against all for being misled by the brexit liars is not productive.
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Still better than being alone
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Or, let's punch Orban in the face and have both Hungary and UK as members.
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If tea wouldn't convince the British, nothing would
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The graph gap between 0 and 30 irritates me. The 50 60 looks so high up.
I would have preferred 20 to 80 or 20 to 60 or 0 to 100.
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We do, but we need to set an example. You can't have it look like some club you can just enter and exit just like that. You have got to discourage other countries from trying to leave.
Essentially the UK has to come crawling back on their knees and take a bad deal that gets better for them year after year or smth. -
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We're not strangers, we're Europeans.
In my small village of the Netherlands there are graves of RAF pilots. And in NATO, we are still allies.
My wife made scones and lemon curd this weekend.
My favourite heat pump geek (urban plumbers on youtube) is a Polish guy living and working in the UK.
All these attempts by people trying to divide Europeans are pathetic. It's sad that many people fall for it, because we share a culture and a history.
The UK rejoining the EU in some shape or form (perhaps the EEA) is just a matter of time. Same with Ukraine.
And personally, I think we should already start planning on how to form strategic defense and trade alliances with Turkey, Egypt and a post-Putin Russia. That will solidify a peaceful and prosperous 21st century in Europe and West-Asia.
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I agree.
There is a lot of BS about setting an example and punishing them, but I have not seen anyone who actually knows how the process works say anything remotely like that.
It would also be a massive case of the EU cutting off it's nose to spite it's face. That's just not how the EU rolls.
The normal process of joining has requirements geared towards poor peripheral countries that the UK already meets or exceeds.
The UK can join anytime it wishes and there is even a lot of room to negotiate mutually beneficial terms.
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I fucking hate past you, but respect current you
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there's some truth in your statement.
Then again - looking at Hungary for example, it's better to leave someone outside if said somebody has clear tendencies of being a troublemaker.
A good relationship is way better than no relationship. But no relationship is ENORMOUSLY better than a toxic relationship. And the UK track record isn't that great in that regard...
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you are aware you just gave THE best plea on why the EU should NOT think about letting UK back in, right?
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I do think it would be fair to require them to adopt the Euro this time around, for example. But even if that doesn't happen as long as everyone is better with the UK in then it's worth it.
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Any country joining the EU pledges to join the euro, but there are no deadlines defined and there is little animo to push countries to join, but technically it's part of the deal.
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Think it was wrong today leave is different to think they should return