Why the ultrarich come after trans people ?

[jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works]

They are a fairly small group compared to other marginalized groups, and particularly vulnerable compared to others. There is already a lot of misinformation about them. Average people often dont run into them or understand them Well enough to make informed decisions. Its easy for billionaires and republicans to wield religion against them. They are often vocal about their beliefs. Intersectionality is also important (e.g. supporting and protecting other minority demographics' rights because it is the right thing to do, and tearing each other down is counterproductive) to them, which isnt always the case.

[slazer2au@lemmy.world]

Products of their generation. As they die off others will take their place and society will move on to other groups to target.

[fourpacketsofpeanuts@lemmy.world]

Musk: more politically oriented than just money now, had aligned himself with a very large part of the population that thinks at a minimum that even if some people need to transition for their own health, society retains the right to consider their pre-transition history to still be part of reality

Zuckerberg: profit driven, is aligning Facebook etc with the political reality in America and the real prospect of being fined or embargoed by a Trump administration, would flip back if a democrat won in 2028

Rowling: belongs to a British generation of certain age where trans people are superficially accepted BUT regards their pre-trans history to be something still relevant. That's where this started and it escalated / deteriorated from there E.g. willing to entertain the "fiction" that a biological man is now a women for the sake of that person's mental health.. she them at the shops presenting female, carry on as normal.. talk to them, use their current name and pronouns out of politeness.. BUT.. if they want to access a female shelter, draw a line.. if they want to teach young children, risk assess them including their pre-trans gender and history etc. Rowling then got into increasingly fractious arguments on Twitter, largely arising from other people she followed and liked and what the trans community inferred from that. At that point she doubled down declaring advocates on Twitter to be increasingly hysterical and deluded whilst simultaneously insisting she would treat trans people humanely in person. She's then lashed out in numerous ways including in her writings aligning herself with increasingly extreme anti-trans people. FWIW, I think she would have carried on being a mildly tolerant (if dated) person of a certain age had she just stayed off Twitter entirely. But lashing out, being misinterpreted and misinterpreting others had led her to spiral down into viciousness and bitterness.

[fluxion@lemmy.world]

Poor, trans, minorities, leftists, educated, and even moderate Republicans are all under attack. These billionaires participate so they can be part of the fascist takeover of this country, not through any personal conviction.

[ignot@lemmy.world]

I agree with your analysis. I think on Musk's case there is also his estranged daughter, it has entrenched his position

[imogen_underscore@hexbear.net]

good post

[outdoor_catgirl@hexbear.net]

A lot of them genuinely hate us. Don't discount that.

[dragonsinaroom@lemmy.world]

Easy to scapegoat like most minorities that a large part of the population has never interacted with before.

[kibiz0r@midwest.social]

They are frequently interviewed.

Which means they are frequently asked: “Why’s everything fucked up?”

They can’t give the real answer, which is “ultra-rich people”.

So they give no answer at all (in which case you don’t hear about it) or they cite the Enemy Of The Day.

[whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml]

I consider your theorizing of "pre-transition history" being within the "rights of society" to "keep in touch with reality" as misleading and problematic.

In fact, these are the axioms of trans erasure I discuss in my other response. In the core of this reasoning is the idea that "men are inherently dangerous to women" therefore "women must know at all times the biological sex of any person they interact with".

So you can't go past the "transition" history for reasons that under all other circumstances you would decry as "misandry", but only apply this to trans women (victims themselves of cis violence in bathrooms and all other settings). Why? Because you register trans women in the semantics of sexual perversion. Then, the "right" to know anyone's medical history does not exist, on the contrary people have the right to privacy to medical interventions of any type.

Due to stigma and discrimination trans people are furthermore entitled to hands down secrecy, given that a random bigot can just shoot them down for being trans with zero consequences. But this is also hypothetical now. The amount of cis-passing is different for every trans people.

Some may pass for cis, most don't. Besides the existential crisis some people experience when they can't tell a person is trans, in practice stealth trans people are relatively rare, and there is not an iota of evidence that there is any societal harm from stealth cis-passing trans people. So there is no reason behind your purported "societal right to know", apart from cisgenderist entitlement.

Enforcing such right is not only infeasible, but it sufficiently and necessarily leads to banning public trans life, with no other explanation other than cis people's uneasiness. The civil rights movement has established that majoritarian uneasiness with minorities sharing their bathrooms is not enough to justify perpetuation of discriminatory segregation practices.

This is textbook transphobia.

[eatthecake@lemmy.world]

I tried to read the wheel of time once and what i learned is that gender is the ultimate defining factor in some peoples lives. It is their whole defining principle in interacting with others. Everything about you is a direct consequence of your sex. Mess with sex/gender and you destroy their entire way of interacting with humans. Hunans dont exist for them, only men and women. The sexes are actually incapable of communication or cooperation of any kind. Effectively different species. This makes trans people a literal impossibility. A leopard cannot become an attack helicopter. A trans person threatens their world view in a fundamental way.

These people also want control of everything, probably due to inability to cope with anything they don't understand, which is a lot. I don't understand being trans, but i undetstand the right to health and happiness and i wish it for you.

[dropper_post@lemm.ee]

We do not know for sure. But couple things are clear. Once you have money - you have the power. Meaning you can express your opinion with less fucks given. They probably associate trans people with sexual perversion. Where a man becomes a woman and then goes to womens bathrooms or sucks other men dicks and some probably do have sex without ever getting pregnant and bringing another slave into capitalism. I think transition from women to men could be seen with less stigma and reasons for transitioners could differ. But again think if you had children and kindergarten teacher is some dude who become a woman but probably still has penis and man’s brain and you leave your little one with them for a few years to grow and develop. I dont know i dont know.. problem is trans associated with sexual perversion and normal people are usually not comfortable with that.

[sulubeddu@feddit.it]

That could be an interesting explanation of why gender studies have been a target so often, even during the Nazi era

Other scapegoats have changed, while this comes bsck

[imogen_underscore@hexbear.net]

what the fuck is wrong with you

[dinosaurthussy@hexbear.net]

Alright, poster, I’m revoking your right to lump yourself in with “normal” people as you clearly do not meet the requirements

[sirsamuel@lemmy.world]

I think Peanuts is speaking from JKR's perspective, not justifying it

But I also skimmed bits of both of your comments. It's ironic really, because I'm equally verbose

[eatthecake@lemmy.world]

I read that book and it felt like satire, but apparently this extreme belief in gender differences is the norm and im a freak.

Im ok with that, but i do raise it to make the point that some of us just dont see your sex/gender as particularly important information and anyone changing their gender is a massive threat to the status quo beleif that such things are not only natural and right but the basis for who you are and how to interact with you.

I remember people calling for sex/gender to be declared as part of your reddit profile. This is why, they cant interact with people as humans, they need a sex/gender to tell them how. It's very disturbing to me.

[sirsamuel@lemmy.world]

This is the answer. It's the intersection of those with strong personal opinions and the power (money) to speak their mind without true repercussions, and the power (money) hungry who are following the strongest zeitgeist in the halls of power.

The zeitgeist exists because the entrenched powerful ones are currently using trans people and migrants as a wedge between different parts of the working class. It used to be homosexuals and communists. Or abortions and hippies. Or slaves. Or indigenous people. Ad nauseum. It's about keeping the working class divided and maintaining power. This is the latest version. And it's not just in the US BTW

People like Rowling are new money working class that fell for the con

[inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

All threaten the oldest hierarchy of all: man over woman.

As for musk, he has a trans child he hates and disowned. And he’s a Nazi, straight up. Family left Canada to go to apartheid South Africa because they agreed with apartheid and white racial supremacy. See the hierarchy here?

Zuck is an opportunist who will align with anything that makes him money. But he also has a weird obsession with Roman history that’s a red flag to me about being a closet fascist.

Jk Rowling is a second wave feminist and she’s big mad that people without vaginas can call themselves women and be in women’s spaces.

[geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml]

They saw /egg_irl and blame them for why eggs are now expensive.