Why the ultrarich come after trans people ?

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Easy to scapegoat like most minorities that a large part of the population has never interacted with before.

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They are frequently interviewed.

Which means they are frequently asked: “Why’s everything fucked up?”

They can’t give the real answer, which is “ultra-rich people”.

So they give no answer at all (in which case you don’t hear about it) or they cite the Enemy Of The Day.

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I consider your theorizing of "pre-transition history" being within the "rights of society" to "keep in touch with reality" as misleading and problematic.

In fact, these are the axioms of trans erasure I discuss in my other response. In the core of this reasoning is the idea that "men are inherently dangerous to women" therefore "women must know at all times the biological sex of any person they interact with".

So you can't go past the "transition" history for reasons that under all other circumstances you would decry as "misandry", but only apply this to trans women (victims themselves of cis violence in bathrooms and all other settings). Why? Because you register trans women in the semantics of sexual perversion. Then, the "right" to know anyone's medical history does not exist, on the contrary people have the right to privacy to medical interventions of any type.

Due to stigma and discrimination trans people are furthermore entitled to hands down secrecy, given that a random bigot can just shoot them down for being trans with zero consequences. But this is also hypothetical now. The amount of cis-passing is different for every trans people.

Some may pass for cis, most don't. Besides the existential crisis some people experience when they can't tell a person is trans, in practice stealth trans people are relatively rare, and there is not an iota of evidence that there is any societal harm from stealth cis-passing trans people. So there is no reason behind your purported "societal right to know", apart from cisgenderist entitlement.

Enforcing such right is not only infeasible, but it sufficiently and necessarily leads to banning public trans life, with no other explanation other than cis people's uneasiness. The civil rights movement has established that majoritarian uneasiness with minorities sharing their bathrooms is not enough to justify perpetuation of discriminatory segregation practices.

This is textbook transphobia.

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I tried to read the wheel of time once and what i learned is that gender is the ultimate defining factor in some peoples lives. It is their whole defining principle in interacting with others. Everything about you is a direct consequence of your sex. Mess with sex/gender and you destroy their entire way of interacting with humans. Hunans dont exist for them, only men and women. The sexes are actually incapable of communication or cooperation of any kind. Effectively different species. This makes trans people a literal impossibility. A leopard cannot become an attack helicopter. A trans person threatens their world view in a fundamental way.

These people also want control of everything, probably due to inability to cope with anything they don't understand, which is a lot. I don't understand being trans, but i undetstand the right to health and happiness and i wish it for you.

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We do not know for sure. But couple things are clear. Once you have money - you have the power. Meaning you can express your opinion with less fucks given. They probably associate trans people with sexual perversion. Where a man becomes a woman and then goes to womens bathrooms or sucks other men dicks and some probably do have sex without ever getting pregnant and bringing another slave into capitalism. I think transition from women to men could be seen with less stigma and reasons for transitioners could differ. But again think if you had children and kindergarten teacher is some dude who become a woman but probably still has penis and man’s brain and you leave your little one with them for a few years to grow and develop. I dont know i dont know.. problem is trans associated with sexual perversion and normal people are usually not comfortable with that.

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That could be an interesting explanation of why gender studies have been a target so often, even during the Nazi era

Other scapegoats have changed, while this comes bsck

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what the fuck is wrong with you

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Alright, poster, I’m revoking your right to lump yourself in with “normal” people as you clearly do not meet the requirements

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I think Peanuts is speaking from JKR's perspective, not justifying it

But I also skimmed bits of both of your comments. It's ironic really, because I'm equally verbose

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I read that book and it felt like satire, but apparently this extreme belief in gender differences is the norm and im a freak.

Im ok with that, but i do raise it to make the point that some of us just dont see your sex/gender as particularly important information and anyone changing their gender is a massive threat to the status quo beleif that such things are not only natural and right but the basis for who you are and how to interact with you.

I remember people calling for sex/gender to be declared as part of your reddit profile. This is why, they cant interact with people as humans, they need a sex/gender to tell them how. It's very disturbing to me.

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This is the answer. It's the intersection of those with strong personal opinions and the power (money) to speak their mind without true repercussions, and the power (money) hungry who are following the strongest zeitgeist in the halls of power.

The zeitgeist exists because the entrenched powerful ones are currently using trans people and migrants as a wedge between different parts of the working class. It used to be homosexuals and communists. Or abortions and hippies. Or slaves. Or indigenous people. Ad nauseum. It's about keeping the working class divided and maintaining power. This is the latest version. And it's not just in the US BTW

People like Rowling are new money working class that fell for the con

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All threaten the oldest hierarchy of all: man over woman.

As for musk, he has a trans child he hates and disowned. And he’s a Nazi, straight up. Family left Canada to go to apartheid South Africa because they agreed with apartheid and white racial supremacy. See the hierarchy here?

Zuck is an opportunist who will align with anything that makes him money. But he also has a weird obsession with Roman history that’s a red flag to me about being a closet fascist.

Jk Rowling is a second wave feminist and she’s big mad that people without vaginas can call themselves women and be in women’s spaces.

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They saw /egg_irl and blame them for why eggs are now expensive.

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The reasons generally start out personal and become generalized as a political “position”, which really consumes your life after a while.

Rowling has said that she had a queer “phase” and that if she were going through that nowadays, she would likely have ended up considering herself trans (incorrectly, by her assertion). That reads to me as some internalized bigotry that she never worked through. Musk has a daughter who’s a trans woman and disowned him for being a piece of shit. He started posting about “pronouns” soon after. And Zuckerberg seems to have seen the way the winds are blowing with the current administration and jumped on the anti-trans bandwagon because he’s a lizard man with no soul (metaphorically, not in the David Icke antisemitic way). These are all guesses, but not based on nothing.

It ends up being socially unacceptable to say, “trans people remind me of my estranged daughter so I don’t like them,” and rightly so. So you have to retreat and bury the context, taking it up as a matter of principle. And your mind can backfill the justification over and over again, further cementing the ideas as people start to ask you to talk about trans people over and over again. After all, you’re a public figure who doesn’t like trans people. That’s a hot topic. People on Twitter want to talk about it. Reporters want to talk about it. So it snowballs from there. Transphobia can absolutely take over the life of a public figure.

Philosophy Tube has an excellent video on something called phantasms and how people get stuck in irrational worldviews. Would recommend.

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"Most people agree with the ultrarich on this issue (at least initily, before social media insanity)"

Are you saying most people are anti-trans? And that people who aren't anti-trans are somehow not of sane mind?

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Deeply unserious of you to consider yourself "normal" when this is your understanding of gender and sexuality. Touch grass and talk to people.

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so tell me what do i need to know to understand it better? What else is there? ;D

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Rich/famous transphobes' voices are louder because they're rich, unfortunately. It's the same problem with every other awful opinion that rich/famous people have.

I do suspect though that it also has to do with social class and thinking that they are "above".

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No doubt. But if you look at the whole ecosystem, a lot of them are just maggots that are personally indifferent but are happy to get people killed to secure a pay rise.

Musk might have fried his brain hotboxing farts with his sycophants. Someone like Thiel however; I can't imagine he really cares but he's happy to fund whatever dorks will start a podcast about why they "left the left" because that shit will - he's hoping - get people to vote for politicians that give him more economic power.

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Just the general fixation on gender as a sexual thing and not a gender thing, the dehumanization of transgender individuals, and vague connections to pedophilia and "child corruption" that don't exist, as well as erasing trans identities and othering them, the list goes on. Touch grass.

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Why the ultrarich come after trans people ?