Why the ultrarich come after trans people ?

[apotheotic@beehaw.org]

"Most people agree with the ultrarich on this issue (at least initily, before social media insanity)"

Are you saying most people are anti-trans? And that people who aren't anti-trans are somehow not of sane mind?

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

Deeply unserious of you to consider yourself "normal" when this is your understanding of gender and sexuality. Touch grass and talk to people.

[dropper_post@lemm.ee]

so tell me what do i need to know to understand it better? What else is there? ;D

[thegiantkorean@lemmy.world]

Rich/famous transphobes' voices are louder because they're rich, unfortunately. It's the same problem with every other awful opinion that rich/famous people have.

I do suspect though that it also has to do with social class and thinking that they are "above".

[manicdave@feddit.uk]

No doubt. But if you look at the whole ecosystem, a lot of them are just maggots that are personally indifferent but are happy to get people killed to secure a pay rise.

Musk might have fried his brain hotboxing farts with his sycophants. Someone like Thiel however; I can't imagine he really cares but he's happy to fund whatever dorks will start a podcast about why they "left the left" because that shit will - he's hoping - get people to vote for politicians that give him more economic power.

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

Just the general fixation on gender as a sexual thing and not a gender thing, the dehumanization of transgender individuals, and vague connections to pedophilia and "child corruption" that don't exist, as well as erasing trans identities and othering them, the list goes on. Touch grass.

[queermunist@lemmy.ml]

We don't have men's brains. Scans actually show that our brain structures are more similar with our gender identity than our assigned gender at birth, especially after hormonal and social transitioning.

[dropper_post@lemm.ee]

and that is exactly what them rich people think and you can do nothing about it, because you poor.

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

It's exactly what you seem to think, me not being a billionaire has nothing to do with your intense transphobia.

[erika3sis@hexbear.net]

Must resist temptation to see what the comment said...

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

Not worth it, just someone doing the whole "I'm not transphobic, but I can see why people might be!" deal where they invalidate gender identity as a concept and portray it as a fetish and harmful for children to be around.

Hope they cop a perma.

[dropper_post@lemm.ee]

oh I am the problem now? some of you people are hilarious. Touch grass

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

You're a massive transphobe, and that's a problem.

[dropper_post@lemm.ee]

maybe there should be more tv shows or movies with trans ppl so we would relax a bit and ease it in ;DDDDD What do you think?

[erika3sis@hexbear.net]

"but" is a bigot's favorite word!

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

It's a shield made out of tissue paper.

[whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml]

The wording is such that lends legitimacy to these viewpoints. The breakdown is right there for anyone who want to build upon this discussion, but it would be naive to give the benefit of the doubt to just anyone, when ignorance and misinformation is ubiquitous, nay, institutionalized.

[alice@beehaw.org]

All threaten the oldest hierarchy of all: man over woman.

Pretty much this. I remember being a teenager and hearing the most basic watered-down gender theory and being really confused and upset. Even back then I knew it was because, for it to be true, it meant a lot of things I take for granted about society were actually totally irrelevant. Unfortunately some people don't ever have to confront their cognitive dissonance, they just use their money and power to enforce the status quo they're used to.

Jk Rowling is a second wave feminist and she’s big mad that people without vaginas can call themselves women and be in women’s spaces.

Unfortunately you could have the best neo-vagina money could buy and terfs would still find an excuse to exclude you. It's not truly about genitalia, it's about being trans.

[steposvenzny@beehaw.org]

Trans people’s very existence requires the rest of us to question our own upbringing. There are a lot of childhood experiences that boil down to you doing something or not doing something on no basis other than the fact that you were told.

You were told by your family, you were told by your friends, you were told by random strangers, you were told by the media, and they were all telling you the same thing. So you listened, even though you didn’t know why they were saying it. Surely EVERYBODY can’t be wrong, right? Some people might have told you something contrary but they were the losers, the outcasts, the villains. You don’t want to be any of that, surely?

For someone to transition, they are required to do the exact opposite of what so many told us all. They embrace the very outcome we were threatened with when we failed to conform, that we would not actually be the gender we were failing to conform to.

To accept that they are valid in doing so requires us to admit that many of our own guiding forces were actually just bullshit. We have to question why we are the way we are anew. If what they’re doing is strong, what we did, what we’re continuing to do, was weak.

When confronted with the idea that we were all just raised wrong and that much of what we collectively spend our time and energy stressing about is stupid and pointless, how many people do you know that will just shrug and say “oh well” and then move on with their lives? Easier to find an excuse to keep doing what you were already doing. “They’re just lying because they’re perverts that wanna cheat at sports.”

Some of these rich people are insidious and manipulative, no doubt, but the loud ones are usually just idiots no different from the uncle you don’t want to talk to except that being rich means they’re able to yell louder.

[fourpacketsofpeanuts@lemmy.world]

In the core of this reasoning is the idea that “men are inherently dangerous to women” therefore “women must know at all times the biological sex of any person they interact with”.

I don't believe that, just to be clear. But I think that's the view of a lot of people, and that's what i was outlining. because that was relevant to OP's question.

So you can’t go past the “transition” history for reasons that under all other circumstances you would decry as “misandry”,

I will assume you are not talking about me here as you have no idea of my point of view on the matter. I believe you are talking generically...

even if you are talking generically, i don't think your assumption here makes sense. many people feel free to discriminate between people on the basis of their biological sex. there are many contexts where (for example) men will accept they are treated different but will not restort to calling this "misandry". at least in the settings i'm familiar with and amongst the people i've lived alongside here in London, UK. you may have very specific incidence in mind or may not be intending to speak universally, but you said "all other circumstances", which sounds pretty universal, so i'm just pointing out that's not correct..

entitled to hands down secrecy, given that a random bigot can just shoot them down for being trans with zero consequences.

I don't know where you live, but this is not true in the UK

while I agree with the thrust of what you are saying you have a writing style that puts words and assumptions in my mouth in a manner that comes across an unecessarily combative. you also use exaggeration to make your point which is itself problematic..