Why the ultrarich come after trans people ?

[whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml]

I will assume you are not talking about me here as you have no idea of my point of view on the matter. I believe you are talking generically…

That's right

Ieven if you are talking generically, i don’t think your assumption here makes sense. many people feel free to discriminate between people on the basis of their biological sex.

I am talking about the notion that all men are potentially sexual predators. I am not discussing the truthfulness of the idea, or whether women are justified to be afraid of men in general (to an extend they are). But regarding this narrower notion, there is plenty of evidence online that men find the fear outrageous (Not all men etc). If they think trans women are () simply men (I disagree) then they are simply not consistent. This naturally leads to the next step, that their interpretation of transness in AMAB people is registered as a sexual perversion (). It isn't. It is a personal identity thing, like being a (cis) woman also isn't inherently a sexual thing. To think the former is transphobia, to think the latter is misogyny. I am not saying, nor I care, about you subscribing to either, personally. We are both discussing the sociological popularity of these notions.

I don’t know where you live, but this is not true in the UK

I am a nomad, but I was talking about the US, where this grim picture is true in some states, especially with black trans women whose murders the police is particularly inadequate to solve.

while I agree with the thrust of what you are saying you have a writing style that puts words and assumptions in my mouth

I was talking generically. That having been said, I wasn't sure about your personal take, since the lack of tone in this written medium can be very misleading.

in a manner that comes across an unnecessarily combative. you also use exaggeration to make your point which is itself problematic…

I really tried to put arguments forth, and conscientiously not target you, while not giving you a free pass. I don't think I exaggerate, I just present in distilled form the things that people might mean but not necessarily say out loud.

As for being combative, I just try to be thorough and concise. When I said this is textbook transphobia I weren't attacking you. This is factual. If someone looks up a textbook on transphobia they will find the points I have asterisk-ed above. It would perhaps come down as less combative if I said "this is the dictionary definition of transphobia"? I don't know. Transphobia is an ugly thing and much like racism, there is no pleasant way to say it, but this is what the word means.

[apotheotic@beehaw.org]

I agree with what you've said for the most part but I find no correlation between it and what your initial comment said. Maybe I'm just tired.

[mr_canard@jlai.lu]

Elon has a trans daughter

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

He wouldn't be the first person to shit on a trans kid.

[lapgoat@pawb.social]

what the heck!

[appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

an post op trans people be in women places?

[ooli2@lemm.ee]

You might be right: it's a rebranding of anti-gay sentiment.

[ooli2@lemm.ee]

I get it. But that smokescreen is achieved with anti-immigrant rhetoric. Throwing Trans in , seems so random

[ooli2@lemm.ee]

she seems pretty vocal about it : https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

[ooli2@lemm.ee]

very interesting take. Thanks

[phoenixz@lemmy.ca]

Its alla diversion.

Find some group that is different, then shit on them and make them look bad publicly while this relatively small group can't so much to talk back publicly.

It'll outrage the public, they'll start looking at the group while trump and Co then go and rob the state blind while no one is looking

[ooli2@lemm.ee]

yeah may be it's just rich people having a louder voice . But trans existed for a long time, and we never heard so much vitriol against them until a few decade back

[ooli2@lemm.ee]

astute observation. Zuckerberg with all his new 'masculine energy" stuff, could still fit in your approach: he dont accept his woman side

[ooli2@lemm.ee]

so 3 different agenda, with the same result. Probably it is as coincidental as that

[funkystuff@hexbear.net]

I wanna add that the way I formulated it is incomplete, or at least too partial to the functional perspective that someone who wishes to preserve the status quo would have. Obviously trans people don't just "choose" their gender, it's much more complicated than that. But I think it's worth looking at things from this lens to understand why the billionaires in particular are recalcitrant about gender.

[tetris11@lemmy.ml]

I do wonder what their end game is. History surely will not look on them favourably, so who would want to be the villain on the world stage? Yes history is written by the victors, but only for a short while until the truths come out. I just can't understand why anyone would deliberately want to be on the wrong side of history.

[sl00k@programming.dev]

This smoke screen around LGBTQ+ and anti immigration has been stoked for nearly 30 years in order to veer away from the actual discussion and laws around wealth inequality, healthcare, etc. It's all a guise against minority groups who can't fight back. Sometimes positive sometimes negative, but at the end of the day billionaires stoke the fear around these minority groups and they get to keep growing their billions without restriction.

[hyphlosion@lemm.ee]

J.K. Rowling isn’t going after anyone. She just doubles down on her beliefs on a social media platform. Then bites back in self defense. Kinda silly when you take a step back.

Just because someone has an opinion about something, doesn’t mean they’re after someone.

[ooli2@lemm.ee]

most real-life villain thinks they are doing good. JK Rowling rhetoric is all about "protecting women". She probably is certain she is some sort of martyr trying to save the world

[tetris11@lemmy.ml]

I can actually believe that JK thinks she's doing the right thing. She's losing friends, money, reputation for saying what she truly believes, no matter how messed up. She never pretended anything but.

Elon is not like that. Elon knew how to play the progressive part and have a progressive wife, and do/say progressive things to make himself look good when it suited him. The face-mask reveal and the 180 turn as he ditches his old friends (they served their purpose) for new ones, whilst his wealth skyrockets.... this man surely deep down can't believe that he has noble intentions.