What do you use for writing HTML by hand?

[kolanaki@yiffit.net]

Notepad++

[majorhavoc@programming.dev]

I use Vim, but I don't really write pure HTML. I write Markdown and convert it into HTML as needed.

Note that I don't lose any control, because any HTML that I happen to need to add inline into the Markdown is handled correctly by my Markdown tools.

[z3ror0ne@lemmy.ml]

Out of curiosity, what do you use to convert markdown to HTML?

[furrowsofar@beehaw.org]

I think they said Pandoc. I have used that too some.

[majorhavoc@programming.dev]

There's lots of good options. I currently prefer https://github.com/gomarkdown/mdtohtml

[majorhavoc@programming.dev]

Yeah. Pandoc can get the job done as well, if I recall.

[nostradavid@programming.dev]

vscode with the built-in Emmet support.

Emmet isn't intimidating, unless you don't know CSS, in which case it is extremely intimidating.

a+b:
<a href=""></a><b></b>

a>b:
<a href=""><b></b></a>

a*2:
<a href=""></a><a href=""></a>

div.yeet:
<div class="yeet"></div>

A combination:
a>b+i*2.dollah:
<a href=""><b></b><i class="dollah"></i><i class="dollah"></i></a>

That's 99% of what you need to know to get started with Emmet.

Anyway, I used to write 100% hand-written HTML, but switched to using Hugo because: Go's built-in Templating language I knew from working with K8S, build-times are sub-second, and I can write a page in either Markdown or HTML, whichever I need (or even mix in some HTML in the Markdown!)

Because of hugo I don't need to mess around with repeating parts (like the nav menu).

Only downsides:

• it strips the comments, which I would've loved to leave in for people to read
• the formatting is my favorite, so I format with prettier before committing

I use git submodules to have the public/ folder be my Github Pages host repo, so I can just muck about locally, while I do a rebuild (which changes the files in the submodule). Only after a commit, I'll effectively publish the website.

Check out the website (mostly for the HTML - the articles are... meh): https://Thaumatorium.com (no trackers, so no Cookiewall nonsense either :D)

[shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol]

One of the only cheat sheets I've ever printed out.

[eager_eagle@lemmy.world]

This is the way. It reminds me of writing pug back when it was still called Jade. Probably the only time I enjoyed writing HTML or templating.

[illness@infosec.pub]

Thr nice thing about Emmet is you can use what you know and slowly add on to it. I don't really use the CSS shortcuts. It's really useful for writing HTML that requires a lot of elements.

[specter@board.minimally.online]

my hands

[behindthebarrier@programming.dev]

The following isn't any professional advice or anything, I am writing HTML manually for my hobby blog code. I don't have much experience with HTML outside occasionally reading it.

I write a bit by hand, to layout my blog page, which is using HTMX. Generally I use RustRover since that actually gives details for attributes and such along with autocomplete. And apparently yesterday it asked if I wanted to enable HTMX support, which was even more intriguing. The main articles are however converted from markdown to HTML.

I do want a better way to design with preview of my page but I think it's a long shot to find something that does HTMX at the same time. Especially since that often means having segregated pieces of HTML mixed into one document at page loading.

[greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml]

+1 for htmx

RustRover feels quite heavy/bulky, why not Fleet/Zed assuming you've checked those out?

[monkdervierte@lemmy.ml]

Kwrite/Kate. Auto-closing tags and all.

[popcar2@programming.dev]

I appreciate the rundown! I started getting used to Emmet now, it's certainly more friendly than it looks. I think this is what I was looking for.

The short-hand for CSS in Emmet is also pretty neat, but It'll take some time to get used to it. w75p m10 turns into width: 75%; margin:10px

[behindthebarrier@programming.dev]

I'm still a windows pleb, so no Zed for me. Fleet I haven't heard of before.

I'm also very much one that likes a lot of convenience. RustRover is know from experience with both pycharm and Rider. But my main points are convenient functionality, autocomplete, debugger, code navigation, formatting and cleanup and git diff readily available. RustRover might be big and heavy, but it let's me focus on writing and running my code without much issues.

[greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml]

still a windows pleb, so no Zed for me

oh, ok

Fleet I haven't heard of before

It is Jetbrains newest thing, an all language ide, an answer to VsCodium and Zed I guess, it's still stuck in beta though

I understand your points about convenience and experience though

[spartanatreyu@programming.dev]

I would advise against using pixels for margin/padding since it'll have issues for users who have different zoom/text sizes than you do.

Stick to rem for margin and padding.

If you're still early days with css, it's worth pointing out that you should use a "css reset" file. It will solve problems for you that you don't even know exist yet.

[communism@lemmy.ml]

I just write everything in vim, including raw html.

Not sure what your use case is, but if it's a static website you'd probably want a static site generator so you can write in markdown and then also include raw html for things that markdown can't represent.

[zoop@beehaw.org]

I'm not the person you were saying this to, but thank you for this! I'm a super-noob, sort of learning as I go by trying different things as I make my cat a webpage for shits and giggles, and you gave me some helpful stuff to try and look into. I appreciate it!