Valve adds "all the Team Fortress 2 client and server game code" to its Source mod tools, letting modders "build completely new games based on TF2" and publish them on Steam
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This functionality has been ripped out of the game
Nope, see the server browser ingame
The game has been dead, riddled with bots
Not anymore!
wrote on 23 Feb 2025, 16:00 last edited byNot anymore!
Oh I gotta fire up TF2! These sorts of shenanigans are the main reason I drifted away years ago.
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That's one way it happens, but in general the term appears to be about decline in quality for the purposes of profit-seeking, regardless of whether services were offered for free or not.
The wiki article starts with this:
Enshittification, also known as crapification and platform decay, is the term used to describe the pattern in which online products and services decline in quality over time. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers, and finally degrade their services to users and business customers to maximize profits for shareholders.
Other articles I looked at seem to agree with this basic concept.
And like I said, spam from scammers and inbox spam are examples of shittiness that seep in regardless of if you engage or not. There is no "no marketplace plz" option, and even if there were scammers can still send you friend request spam.
wrote on 23 Feb 2025, 17:09 last edited byEh, maybe I'm being pedantic, but I still don't really see how the addition of the steam marketplace is an example of the steam platform declining in quality. It was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn't interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games. Sure it's a needless addition (in our opinions), but one that I can easily ignore because it's so isolated from the main product. Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don't like or don't use, but that isn't the same thing as enshittification. And I feel like the spam would happen regardless of if the marketplace was there or not. That feels more like a moderation problem, not an enshittification problem.
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Not anymore!
Oh I gotta fire up TF2! These sorts of shenanigans are the main reason I drifted away years ago.
wrote on 23 Feb 2025, 18:24 last edited byYeah it was rough for a year or two there... but Valve did a massive banwave and now I've only seen a group of bots join my server twice in the last year, and we could kick them easily
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Eh, maybe I'm being pedantic, but I still don't really see how the addition of the steam marketplace is an example of the steam platform declining in quality. It was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn't interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games. Sure it's a needless addition (in our opinions), but one that I can easily ignore because it's so isolated from the main product. Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don't like or don't use, but that isn't the same thing as enshittification. And I feel like the spam would happen regardless of if the marketplace was there or not. That feels more like a moderation problem, not an enshittification problem.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 00:07 last edited bySure, if you ignore the worst parts of it that I explicitly laid out and only focus on how it makes you feel personally, then I can see how you might feel that way.
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Sure, if you ignore the worst parts of it that I explicitly laid out and only focus on how it makes you feel personally, then I can see how you might feel that way.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 04:13 last edited byI'm not ignoring anything, I just don't agree that the steam marketplace, and all the stuff you're talking about related to the steam marketplace, fits either of our definitions of enshittification.
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I'm not ignoring anything, I just don't agree that the steam marketplace, and all the stuff you're talking about related to the steam marketplace, fits either of our definitions of enshittification.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 04:27 last edited byOkay, I don't understand how and you haven't explained it, you've just said that you don't personally care about it, which isn't an argument I can respond to. You're free to have your opinion, but I don't see how it's relevant here.
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A few takeaways from the move:
- Any modifications must be released as mods
- Players downloading the mods must own the base game
- The mods must be free and no aspect of the mod can be monetized.
- The mods can now access TF2 steam inventory for cosmetics and weapons (but cannot modify the inventory)
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 12:26 last edited byIsn't this how they all are? L4d and l4d2 are the same unless you're hosting a server with .smx plugins.
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Okay, I don't understand how and you haven't explained it, you've just said that you don't personally care about it, which isn't an argument I can respond to. You're free to have your opinion, but I don't see how it's relevant here.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 15:06 last edited byIt was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn't interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games... Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don't like or don't use, but that isn't the same thing as enshittification.
I have explained it though
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It was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn't interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games... Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don't like or don't use, but that isn't the same thing as enshittification.
I have explained it though
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 15:19 last edited byYes, you ignored the worst parts of it in favour of things you could dismiss for yourself, and then you ignored me pointing that out. I'm not going to keep explaining this to you any further.
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I miss The Specialists and Vampire Slayer mods so so much...
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 15:21 last edited bySpecialists mentioned
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Yes, you ignored the worst parts of it in favour of things you could dismiss for yourself, and then you ignored me pointing that out. I'm not going to keep explaining this to you any further.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 15:31 last edited byThe only one ignoring things is you. You're ignoring my whole point. Which is that your personal bar for enshittification is lower than any of the definitions we've given in this thread, because it's basically "anything I think is bad is enshittification"
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Thinking back, HL had a ridiculous quantity of high quality mods and TCs back in the day. Hell, Valve have even allowed HL to be remade and sold on steam.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 15:32 last edited byNatural Selection was a quality one.
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Isn't this how they all are? L4d and l4d2 are the same unless you're hosting a server with .smx plugins.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 15:59 last edited bySort of, but those let you use the pre-existing codebase for each game as is. This lets you play with the inner workings. You could do something drastic like implant rollback netcode, add new classes, wild shit.
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This functionality has been ripped out of the game
Nope, see the server browser ingame
The game has been dead, riddled with bots
Not anymore!
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 18:18 last edited byMost players are using casual mode which is terrible. The community servers in TF2 are a pale shadow of what they once were.
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Source mod tools not to be confused with Sourcemod tools.
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What a boss move by Valve
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Most players are using casual mode which is terrible. The community servers in TF2 are a pale shadow of what they once were.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 18:50 last edited byCasual's fine
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Casual's fine
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 19:07 last edited byYeah you'd think that if you never played before it ruined the entire game.
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Yeah, as a resident Valve hater I agree it’s a weird thing to get angry over.
If there was anything to get angry over is that I bought this game in a box (stand alone because I was too broke for Orange Box!) with an understanding that it’s an online multiplayer shooter. Meaning, there are servers you join manually from a list, shoot at other guys for a bit and return to that server or not based on how good time it was. This functionality has been ripped out of the game and replaced with some weird algorithm. Before that Valve broke their own design promises of clear silhouettes which made the game less accessible. The game has been dead, riddled with bots farming in-game items that can be traded for real money that Valve added to the game because they could. If it was any other game I wouldn’t care but TF2 started out as an amazing game that was mangled beyond recognition by Valve greed.
They should have released TF2 source code this way 10 years ago. They’re probably doing this now because income from TF2 related items on Marketplace is probably laughably small compared to their other titles.
wrote on 24 Feb 2025, 19:08 last edited byI'm a Valve stan but it's disgusting how they've abused and neglected TF2. It would unironically be significantly better if they just rolled back every change since 2016.
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The only one ignoring things is you. You're ignoring my whole point. Which is that your personal bar for enshittification is lower than any of the definitions we've given in this thread, because it's basically "anything I think is bad is enshittification"
wrote on 25 Feb 2025, 00:48 last edited byYour point is that the issues don't affect the core experience, and I've explained how that's wrong, and you've ignored it.
You're also now blatantly mischaracterising what I've said.
If you want me to keep talking to you, I need you to tell me that you are actually curious to understand what I have to say.
