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      In a lot of states it’s illegal for workers to work too many consecutive hours without a break, especially if it’s a physical labor job. Your employer may legally not be able to allow this.

      Though sometimes they are just petty and inflexible.

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      • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netR [email protected]

        In a lot of states it’s illegal for workers to work too many consecutive hours without a break, especially if it’s a physical labor job. Your employer may legally not be able to allow this.

        Though sometimes they are just petty and inflexible.

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        And that's actually a good thing because once you allow this it's easy for employers to pressure you into "voluntarily" not taking a break, because "it's so busy right now" or whatever.

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          Still got to leave early, I'll call that a win.

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          • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netR [email protected]

            In a lot of states it’s illegal for workers to work too many consecutive hours without a break, especially if it’s a physical labor job. Your employer may legally not be able to allow this.

            Though sometimes they are just petty and inflexible.

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            What state that? I live Oklahoma that follows only federal law, and I been told repeatedly that there is no federal mandate for giving employees breaks at all.

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              And that's actually a good thing because once you allow this it's easy for employers to pressure you into "voluntarily" not taking a break, because "it's so busy right now" or whatever.

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              That’s when I say “hahaha no”, write it down as a request. Then, when yearly evaluations comes along, I write into my evaluation so it’s on the record

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                I didn't ask and no one seemed to care.

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                  That’s when I say “hahaha no”, write it down as a request. Then, when yearly evaluations comes along, I write into my evaluation so it’s on the record

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                  lol wtf are yearly evaluations?

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                    lol wtf are yearly evaluations?

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                    A yearly meeting with your boss where they either tell you all the things you did great and maybe a couple small things you can improve on while not paying you more, or they tell you how terrible you did and try to pressure you into doing more work by hanging the threat of your job (homelessness, loss of insurance, death) over your head.

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                    • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netR [email protected]

                      In a lot of states it’s illegal for workers to work too many consecutive hours without a break, especially if it’s a physical labor job. Your employer may legally not be able to allow this.

                      Though sometimes they are just petty and inflexible.

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                      This is less common than you think, and gets pretty hazy pretty fast where it is true.

                      The real reason is payroll and accounting.

                      If you leave an hour early to take your lunch, it looks like you only worked 7 hours.

                      Could this be fixed? Probably. But accountants are notoriously salty about anything that threatens to crack the mold.

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                        lol wtf are yearly evaluations?

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                        it's where you show off your union-recommended salary increase and tell them to make you a better offer.

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                          This is less common than you think, and gets pretty hazy pretty fast where it is true.

                          The real reason is payroll and accounting.

                          If you leave an hour early to take your lunch, it looks like you only worked 7 hours.

                          Could this be fixed? Probably. But accountants are notoriously salty about anything that threatens to crack the mold.

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                          8-4 is still 8 hours?

                          The average work day is 8-5 with an unpaid lunch break.

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                          • fredselfish@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                            What state that? I live Oklahoma that follows only federal law, and I been told repeatedly that there is no federal mandate for giving employees breaks at all.

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                            I’ve worked in some states (mainly North Carolina) that have mandated 15 minute breaks every 2* hours on shift, 30 if you stay for 6 hours, and another 15 if you stay for a full 8. This was at a grocery store so YMMV.

                            I think those numbers are right, but it’s been over ten years since I worked there.

                            Edited: cause I remembered the numbers.

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                              There's all kinds of legal murk with this.

                              If you don't get a break and you make a mistake that injures or kills you or someone else, the employer is responsible.

                              If you "don't get" a break, either by force or voluntarily (the reason actually doesn't matter), then many places consider that to be.... For lack of a better description (my brain can't think of one right now): bad working conditions, and illegal.

                              Even if you voluntarily skip you break/lunch, the thin line between that being fine, or a problem for the company, is whether you want to hire a lawyer and make it a problem or not.

                              That's liability that they don't want.

                              I guarantee they couldn't give any less of a shit whether you take your lunch/breaks or not, except for the fact that it could affect them.

                              I'm thankful for this, because bluntly, otherwise, they just wouldn't give you a break at all.
                              They would put it on the books as you working a 9 hour shift, and taking your lunch at the end of the day, but tell you that you are on an 8 hour shift that has no breaks. Since they can't cover their ass like that, you get an unpaid lunch.

                              The unpaid part was the compromise to get the legislation passed so they don't subject workers to inhumane conditions. Remember that the government is largely comprised of, or paid for by, businesses and business owners. So if it isn't, at the very least "fair" to business owners, it's not going to pass.

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                                Wait, so you don't eat for 8 hours?

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                                • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

                                  it's where you show off your union-recommended salary increase and tell them to make you a better offer.

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                                  OH, you mean in a country with workers rights and a decent work culture. For a second I thought you fellows were American. Someone said "states" and I just jumped to conclusions lol.

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                                    This is less common than you think, and gets pretty hazy pretty fast where it is true.

                                    The real reason is payroll and accounting.

                                    If you leave an hour early to take your lunch, it looks like you only worked 7 hours.

                                    Could this be fixed? Probably. But accountants are notoriously salty about anything that threatens to crack the mold.

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                                    In my timesheets, when I work is logged and automatically calculated. If I put in 8am to 12pm. Then enter 1pm to 5pm, with a 1 hour gap for lunch it calculates 8 hours, if I put in 8am to 4pm, and have "lunch" at the end of the day, it still calculates 8 hours.

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                                    • fredselfish@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                      What state that? I live Oklahoma that follows only federal law, and I been told repeatedly that there is no federal mandate for giving employees breaks at all.

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                                      You are correct in that statement. There is no federal mandate for breaks or meals, which is super shitty. However, there is a requirement for at least a meal break in 21 of the states which vary in requirements, some even extending to normal breaks.

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                                        Half an hour?

                                        Damn.

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                                        • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netR [email protected]

                                          In a lot of states it’s illegal for workers to work too many consecutive hours without a break, especially if it’s a physical labor job. Your employer may legally not be able to allow this.

                                          Though sometimes they are just petty and inflexible.

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                                          At Lowe's and they had to crack down on this due to a new(ish) Florida law. Can't work more than 6 hours of an 8 hour shift without a break. If I took a late lunch, of my own accord, they would get dinged for "forcing" me to work too long. Fair enough.

                                          Yet another reason I love working for salary. So much less bullshit, so much more flexibility. If I want to knock off a couple hours early, go kayaking, work in the evening to run updates, fine.

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