Unpaid lunch
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I lead small teams doing construction/remodel type work.
It gets real screwy when people start leaving at different times. Those who take lunch end up stuck with extra clean up or fixing last minute issues that pop up.
It also sucks when the office folk leave early and we're stuck in the field with questions or issues that they need to decide on.
Once in a while, it doesn't matter, but every day of people working slightly different schedules gets annoying.
For independent work, yeah its ridiculous people are forced to work specific hours for no reason.
In my experience when you loosen the restrictions on specific starting and ending times you get some people who prefer earlier and some people who prefer later and most people will probably be pretty close to traditional most of the time to maintain cooperation across large groups. Sometimes they call it 'core hours' when formalizing it in da rules. When most people are working independently then you can get rid of even that.
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I lead small teams doing construction/remodel type work.
It gets real screwy when people start leaving at different times. Those who take lunch end up stuck with extra clean up or fixing last minute issues that pop up.
It also sucks when the office folk leave early and we're stuck in the field with questions or issues that they need to decide on.
Once in a while, it doesn't matter, but every day of people working slightly different schedules gets annoying.
For independent work, yeah its ridiculous people are forced to work specific hours for no reason.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's why most places use "core hours" for varied schedules.
If you need collaboration then you do it from 10 AM to 2 PM. Everyone works those hours whether you leave early, or come in late. Any meetings should happen in those times.
This isn't a difficult problem to solve.
If you can't regularly get your job don't with a few hours of not having immediate assistance - I feel like you probably need to rethink your processes, or who you're employing.
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This is false. You cannot be fired without reason, you can be fired for any legal reason which will vary from state to state, which may be more strict (for employers) than federal law.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You can be fired without cause. That is in the literal definition of "At will"
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At Lowe's and they had to crack down on this due to a new(ish) Florida law. Can't work more than 6 hours of an 8 hour shift without a break. If I took a late lunch, of my own accord, they would get dinged for "forcing" me to work too long. Fair enough.
Yet another reason I love working for salary. So much less bullshit, so much more flexibility. If I want to knock off a couple hours early, go kayaking, work in the evening to run updates, fine.
Salary can kinda feed the ego too a bit, anybody?
IDK why, like you’re kinda important-ish & trusted-ish in a way or something… nobody’s worrying how long you’re in the bathroom, get your work done or get fired, angle for that promotion for a bigger salary, no timecards (besides California engineers and perhaps others) that feel kinda like you’re there to be a body as opposed to being there for your mind?
(Stream of consciousness here)
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Well then it's not yours. And it should be paid. If the labour regulations say you have to take an unpaid break, the labour regulations are bad.
Step back and think about why that regulation exists to begin with. No one said it's perfect but it's better than what was.
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In California, when you take your lunch is also mandated by the law. So even if your employer was okay with the idea, you still have to take it before your 5th working hour.
California is so bizarre, you get mandated lunch breaks but god forbid you want full time employment without risk of being fired at any time for no reason
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Salary can kinda feed the ego too a bit, anybody?
IDK why, like you’re kinda important-ish & trusted-ish in a way or something… nobody’s worrying how long you’re in the bathroom, get your work done or get fired, angle for that promotion for a bigger salary, no timecards (besides California engineers and perhaps others) that feel kinda like you’re there to be a body as opposed to being there for your mind?
(Stream of consciousness here)
You are spot on. Being free of the clock for 5 years, then going back on was a shock to me. Forgot how limiting that was!
Liberating to accomplish your goals and spend free time working out other paths and projects. All I hear on lemmy is that salary is there to abuse the worker. Not in my limited experience. Salary allowed me to fly and truly contribute.
And we might notice, most salaried jobs are higher level. Can't compare working a fry vat with working an Active Directory domain.
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It's about power.
That just goes to show how fragile power is.
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Wait, there's jobs where people don't get payed for their lunch break? I thought that was a scary myth.
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That’s when I say “hahaha no”, write it down as a request. Then, when yearly evaluations comes along, I write into my evaluation so it’s on the record
Wait, you are sometimes asked to skip lunch?!
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Also you need to be here 15 minutes early, dressed and at the time clock.
And no you have to leave on time in case someone needs you. We have core hours.
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Wait, there's jobs where people don't get payed for their lunch break? I thought that was a scary myth.
Yep, I work for a fortune 500 and I have to clock out for lunch.
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In California, when you take your lunch is also mandated by the law. So even if your employer was okay with the idea, you still have to take it before your 5th working hour.
Interesting, in Ohio you have to clock out before the 6th hour.
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Wait, there's jobs where people don't get payed for their lunch break? I thought that was a scary myth.
I work in The Netherlands, same thing. On the other side, I can skip lunch and leave earlier. Or can I have a longer lunch break. But I have to work 8 hrs net.
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That's why most places use "core hours" for varied schedules.
If you need collaboration then you do it from 10 AM to 2 PM. Everyone works those hours whether you leave early, or come in late. Any meetings should happen in those times.
This isn't a difficult problem to solve.
If you can't regularly get your job don't with a few hours of not having immediate assistance - I feel like you probably need to rethink your processes, or who you're employing.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'll be a bit less vague, my job involves installing various equipment systems that are designed/programmed by the office people.
Part of the process is testing and bug fixing, nothing in life goes perfect. Install typically takes 4-6 hours, with time allotted for a few hours to test and configure being at end of day. We are often at the mercy of the business hours of wherever we work, so install typically doesn't begin until 8am.
When its 3pm and the job is supposed to be done by end of day and some technical issue pops up (typically client wants a change, or sometimes we all make a mistake) if the guy who programmed the electronics went home at 2, the job won't get done.
As I said, once in a while people leaving early is fine, if we have to return to a job we will. But if we have to do that for every single one, we'd never get anything done.
Some jobs require assistance because that's how life works. not everyone is a computer genius.
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Yep, I work for a fortune 500 and I have to clock out for lunch.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Don’t you feel fortunate? /s
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An american joke i am too european to understand
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An american joke i am too european to understand
I don't think so. Finnish labour laws at least specify breaks, paid and unpaid, can not be at the start or the end of the day. It wouldn't be a break otherwise.
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An american joke i am too european to understand
German law also requires you to take a half hour break in the middle of a >6h work day.
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An american joke i am too european to understand
Lunch breaks are required by law, but they are not required to pay you when you take them. So when you work an 8 hour day, you are actually working an 8.5 hour day (8:30 - 17:00) with your .5 hour break at some point in the middle. The joke is basically the guy asking to work 8 hours straight and leave at 16:30 instead of 17:00 and management tossing him out a window.
