I'm so happy this happened.

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Well, it would require more than just legislation change. Truth be told, in the US, a working democracy requires some form of revolution since the people holding all the power benefit from the broken system. But on the other hand, organizations and communities (including territories of hundreds of thousands) practicing direct democracy on a smaller scale have seen success with these strategies.

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you need to ask the Uyghurs how they’re feeling about their experience under the communist government

Everytime people ask regular Uyghurs, they're usually happy enough with it. I'm guessing you mean ask Adrian Zenz and the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation to tell the Uyghurs what they think.

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How's that boot taste

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LoL. What boot? I’m advocating for worker control, genius.

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The issue with your original comment is that it's simplified on many levels beyond what is acceptable. China has companies working on delivering highest financial output regardless of other citizens and their rights to have fair share in produced goods. They are by no means controlled by workers (why would they accept e. g. 996?) nor creating fair rules to others economically (e.g. Taobao and their alghorims pushing many sellers to sell bellow profitable levels just to maintain visibility on their site). Put it also into wider perspective: China started to move forward in quality of life only after Deng. US system is by no means bad but it doesn't make Chinese one perfect.

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I don’t think you understand how China’s economy works. Seems very clouded by anti-China propaganda.

In reality, the working class exercises a great deal of control over the means of production in China, and the 996 culture you’re referring to is in fact illegal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58381538.amp

Again, capitalism vs communism is not defined by the existence of production/profits/markets, but how control and benefit of those systems is distributed.

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I disagree. Under the right conditions (read: actual competition instead of unregulated monopolies) I think a capitalist system be able to stay ahead, though I think both systems could compete depending on how they're organized.

But what I'm more interested in is you view that China is still Socialist/Communist. Isn't DeepSeek a private company trying to maximize profits for itself by innovating, instead of a public company funded by the people? I don't really know myself, but my perspective was that this was more of a capitalist vs capitalist situation. With one side (the US) kinda suffering from being so unregulated that innovation dies down.

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Capitalism will by its very nature always lead to monopolies and depressed innovation. You cannot prevent corruption, while concentrating control of the means of production in the hands of a very few.

They released DeepSeek for free. It was a side project the company worked on. How is releasing it for free in any way profit seeking?

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Communism is the original bootlicking

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Imagine you had a lemmy instance that every post was a proposal for regulation in your community/region. Anyone can make a post, some will gain traction and support, some will be worthless and fall off quickly. If the proposal gains enough support it then goes to a vote post where people get to make an official vote. Could be to charge $40 for a speeding ticket instead of $50, could be a trade agreement with another region.

I think this method would give people equity in the system. Maybe it could also be scored on a curve depending on how much it effects you as an individual. Maybe having advanced education on a topic means your say has more weight to it than someone without.

I was thinking of ways to move towards this and so far my best idea is to build it and run it in parrelel with what we have now. Get it functioning and trusted and simply try to roll over what we have now. I figure something tragic would need to happen to create a power void for full implementation. Like yellowstone erupting or something. I was also thinking that we need to teach the kids. We need to give them tools to build on so they can take this kind of idea to fruition.

I am just a regular idiot, so feel free to add anything constructive.

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It's a great idea. I think half the people just don't give a fuck at all.

Among people who say they care- look how rapidly disinformation is spread about anything and everything. Billionaires would be gaming the system from the get-go. I'm just pessimistic. I really do love the idea and I hope we get there some day.

Based on how Trump 2.0 is going though we might just get that tragedy.

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I don't think this idea I have involves any billionaires with power. It would be pointless. With everything decentralized there would be no mega corps at all. They wouldn't have politicians to bribe. They would have to make the majority of people happy with them to be allowed. I also consider that in a world designed for quality of life instead of profit we wouldn't need to have 9-5 jobs to survive. Our production has been growing rapidly for a long time and all of the proceeds have been getting held by ~1000 people who have centralized profits to themselves. With decentralized communism the economy would be like one big co-op. No company owners, the community would have say in how products are sourced and distributed. How people who invest more in the system are rewarded by the system. Couple things to help understand where my head is at. I think we can decentralize and open source services like amazon, home depot, walmart,.... We don't need oligarchy to come together and use economy of scale. We could have a sales platform free for everyone that could source directly from manufacturers. No mark up, not even in the manufacturing. No profit model at all. This factors in that labor needs are going to plummet. Take media, I predict all media will be AI generated and personalized. You could have a never ending show. One that knows how to keep you entertained. You could even be a character in it where your screen is just the view, so now we are in VR, like a gta map. Now the big change, This will all happen in our heads. check this shit out https://synchron.com/ . We are about to have hivemind irl. I only want to discuss posative implications. I am super fucked up over thinking about what capitalism is going to do with direct access to our subconsciousness.

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I'm all the way with you politically.

Synchron seems awesome and yeah terrifying under the current economic and government systems that dominate the world.

I doubt I'll live long though to become a cyborg but I've always said I'll be one of the first once it's publicly available. I'm 41, I don't expect to live much past 70. Maybe I'll get to try it before I die.

But the revolution is much more exciting than the tech. I'm armed and trained. Are you?

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I'm so happy this happened.