Finally the population is getting the real point.
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Gaza already has Christians so clearly they're not exciting people just for not being model Muslims.
you'd see a genocide on the levels not redditors could even defend it
That is simply not based in reality. Hamas does some horrid things don't get me wrong, but they're fundamentally an authoritarian state rather than a genocidal state.
And we never saw one turning into the other when authority struggled?
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And we never saw one turning into the other when authority struggled?
Mostly no? Struggling authoritarian states seek, among other things, war, but they do not as a rule commit genocide. That's mostly a fascist thing.
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I don't see why, in a world in which the UN, who literally created the State of Israel of thin air, exists, we have to assume that, within or outside of the Palestinian population, Hamas is the only possible interlocutor for Israel.
This is a huge assist to Netanyahu.
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Mostly no? Struggling authoritarian states seek, among other things, war, but they do not as a rule commit genocide. That's mostly a fascist thing.
So USSR under Stalin, Sudan, Myanmar, Rwanda, etc. they don't count?
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I don't see why, in a world in which the UN, who literally created the State of Israel of thin air, exists, we have to assume that, within or outside of the Palestinian population, Hamas is the only possible interlocutor for Israel.
This is a huge assist to Netanyahu.
Hamas is the only possible interlocutor for Israel.
That's because everyone else is almost no established government is willing to support armed resistance against Israel. Dialogue will not save Palestine.
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Hamas is the only possible interlocutor for Israel.
That's because everyone else is almost no established government is willing to support armed resistance against Israel. Dialogue will not save Palestine.
I have the impression you are envisioning a much more violent response to Israel than what is needed or would be actually favorable for the Palestinian population.
Remember that Israel is nothing without what the US and Germany, mainly, provided for decades.
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So USSR under Stalin, Sudan, Myanmar, Rwanda, etc. they don't count?
I never said authoritarian states can't commit genocide, but rather that they usually don't use it as a way to support their regimes unless they turn fascist. The Holodomor was a way for Stalin to suppress Ukrainian independence, while the other three were long-running ethnic conflicts exacerbated by malicious and/or incompetent European decolonization.
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I never said authoritarian states can't commit genocide, but rather that they usually don't use it as a way to support their regimes unless they turn fascist. The Holodomor was a way for Stalin to suppress Ukrainian independence, while the other three were long-running ethnic conflicts exacerbated by malicious and/or incompetent European decolonization.
Splitting hair imho
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Splitting hair imho
The point I'm trying to make is that Hamas won't turn to genocide simply to gain popularity (though I do expect quite a few massacres); either they'll do it even if they're popular or they won't even if they're unpopular, and I'm leaning towards the latter.
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I have the impression you are envisioning a much more violent response to Israel than what is needed or would be actually favorable for the Palestinian population.
Remember that Israel is nothing without what the US and Germany, mainly, provided for decades.
I have the impression you are envisioning a much more violent response to Israel than what is needed or would be actually favorable for the Palestinian population.
I'm not sure what you mean; what situation are you talking about here? Because under the current status quo Palestinians only have one means of resistance and that's violence.
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I have the impression you are envisioning a much more violent response to Israel than what is needed or would be actually favorable for the Palestinian population.
I'm not sure what you mean; what situation are you talking about here? Because under the current status quo Palestinians only have one means of resistance and that's violence.
Palestinians do, maybe. But the International Community should act to contain that instinct and provide an alternative.
This is not a war to be fought in Gaza, there you can have only massacre.
This war is to be fought in each and every country that deals or passively observes the massacre.
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The point I'm trying to make is that Hamas won't turn to genocide simply to gain popularity (though I do expect quite a few massacres); either they'll do it even if they're popular or they won't even if they're unpopular, and I'm leaning towards the latter.
I also don't think that Hamas will commit genocide.
They will commit, as usual, terrorist attacks and keeping them in power is instrumental to the genocide perpetrated by Israel. -
Zios have been invading Palestine, stealing land, and murdering people for more than a century.
Hamas is just the current excuse.
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I don't see why, in a world in which the UN, who literally created the State of Israel of thin air, exists, we have to assume that, within or outside of the Palestinian population, Hamas is the only possible interlocutor for Israel.
This is a huge assist to Netanyahu.
The UN didn't steal the land and commit genocide. That's pure zionism.
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I have the impression you are envisioning a much more violent response to Israel than what is needed or would be actually favorable for the Palestinian population.
Remember that Israel is nothing without what the US and Germany, mainly, provided for decades.
Zios are still nuclear terrorists even without US and Germany.
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Palestinians do, maybe. But the International Community should act to contain that instinct and provide an alternative.
This is not a war to be fought in Gaza, there you can have only massacre.
This war is to be fought in each and every country that deals or passively observes the massacre.
The "international community" is actively supporting this genocide and attacking the many people trying to resist: aid works, ICC, etc.
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I actually can't tell you which one is worse if someone asked me that question. Israel is definitely trying to make nazis proud, but at least they would not personally execute my whole family just because I'm not a muslim who listens to music.
One personally wants to kill me, other one is doing the killings already
I actually can’t tell you which one is worse
Who is worse: the people committing genocide or the people suffering from it? It's not a complicated.
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I'm genuinely not aware of most things you mentioned, but to be fair I live in east Europe and my head is full with Russian invasion right now
So you can tell who is worse in this situation? The genocidal invaders, right?
Not much difference.
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They're not even a state but an anti-genocide resistance movement.
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And we never saw one turning into the other when authority struggled?
Yes. The zio regime turned genocidal almost immediately upon its inception. It was always the explicit plan.