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"Very dramatic shift" - Linus Tech Tips opens up about the channel's declining viewership

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  • H [email protected]

    I just don't get suggested his content anymore. Then again I just found out every channel I've ever subscribed to is under a seperate category and usually not under the main YouTube page..

    Basically I'm blocking every channel I've subscribed to without ever realising..

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    I have to go to my subscribed channels just to see what they’ve posted now. YT definitely changed up their algorithm and it’s useless for me now. It doesn’t present anything I’m interested in.

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      It seems like YouTube is doing something where they don't consider views to be actual "views" anymore. I saw one creator reporting that you only get credit as a view if you also leave a comment on the video because I guess Google thinks this will somehow hamper bots? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit no matter how you look at it. Personally I think Google is just trying to avoid paying creators so they're only crediting them for a fraction of the views they get, but you just know they're charging those advertisers for every single view whether they're paying the creators or not.

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      What a moronic move. I almost never post comments but I watch plenty of content.

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      • O [email protected]

        It seems like YouTube is doing something where they don't consider views to be actual "views" anymore. I saw one creator reporting that you only get credit as a view if you also leave a comment on the video because I guess Google thinks this will somehow hamper bots? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit no matter how you look at it. Personally I think Google is just trying to avoid paying creators so they're only crediting them for a fraction of the views they get, but you just know they're charging those advertisers for every single view whether they're paying the creators or not.

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        Way back in the day I was making $500 a month with AdSense ads on my sites. And then one month I started making $250 a month. I hadn't changed anything. It's a risky thing to rely on.

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        • M [email protected]

          A lot of Youtube channels are reporting declining viewership lately.

          EX1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpVnx4_yqTo
          EX2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0tmhEtVJE

          Fun times. Looks like a lot of channels are seeing a decline not just Linus. Hes just the latest to talk about it.

          Then I saw this article as well and thought I would share.

          Anyone here youtube creators? Are you seeing the same thing, a general downturn in viewership?

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          Remember, so long as you stay subscribed to a channel but don't interact with it in any way(click a vid, comment, dislike it or comments in the comment section) it hurts the channel. Thats why i resubbed to every channel i unsubbed from, that way i can actually hinder them instead of help them. This has been proven from Jesse Cox being told so by youtube staff during meetings he's had, you literally have to start a fresh channel free from the dead subs to get the algorithm to pick you back up.

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          • H [email protected]

            I just don't get suggested his content anymore. Then again I just found out every channel I've ever subscribed to is under a seperate category and usually not under the main YouTube page..

            Basically I'm blocking every channel I've subscribed to without ever realising..

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            Its because theres too many "dead subscriptions". The algorithm punishes channels that have subs that dont interact with saud channel.

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            • H [email protected]

              I just don't get suggested his content anymore. Then again I just found out every channel I've ever subscribed to is under a seperate category and usually not under the main YouTube page..

              Basically I'm blocking every channel I've subscribed to without ever realising..

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              This is now the second time in a short period of time that I stumble across someone who didn't know the subscriptions page existed. Or at least that is how I interpreted what you said.

              I always thought it was obvious that the main feed is for discovering new stuff based on watch history and the ol trusty content can be found in the sub box. It is always fascinating to see how differently people use software I use daily while thinking it is how everyone does it

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                What would make me really happy is if viewership across YouTube entirely was down because people were getting fed up with YouTube and shifting to alternatives.

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                The problem is that there aren't any really viable alternatives. YouTube has three major advantages and all three are necessary. First and most critically it has a viable business model (that is it has a way to earn money to pay creators). It's a shitty business model, but it is viable which already puts it ahead of most services that are coasting on VC funds and hoping they'll trip over a business model before they go bankrupt. Second it has the infrastructure and capital to actually serve content. Running a video streaming service is the single largest bandwidth consumer you could possibly come up with and that means considerable network infrastructure costs, to say nothing of the storage demands. Third it has network effect going for it. Nobody is going to watch videos on your platform if there's only a couple dozen of them total. The sheer size and scope of YouTube means no matter what you're looking for you can find something to watch. It's a one stop shop for AV content.

                Every single competitor to YouTube has failed on one of those points, usually the first one, rarely the second. The last service I saw come close to hitting all three was Vimeo, but it flamed out not even a decade after it launched. Twitch.tv is struggling to make their accounting work and isn't even a direct competitor because they're pushing hard for live streams as opposed to pre-recorded videos. Alternatives like PeerTube have no business model and will never attract creators or a mainstream audience. Paid hosting platforms like Floatplane are replacements for traditional video streaming services like Amazon Video or Netflix not really platforms where just anybody can set up a channel and start posting videos.

                To paraphrase a famous saying, YouTube is the worst public video streaming service except for every other one. Until someone comes along and figures out how to make enough money to reliably pay creators and has enough capital to actually serve that content reliably and in high quality YouTube isn't going anywhere.

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                • quarterswede@lemmy.worldQ [email protected]

                  What a moronic move. I almost never post comments but I watch plenty of content.

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                  Same, but it depends on the goal. If the goal is to have an excuse not to pay creators while still cashing paychecks from advertisers it seems like a pretty smart move. A dick move certainly, but seems to be working exactly as intended.

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                  • I [email protected]

                    I don't have an hour to spend watching someone talk into a camera, can I get a TLDR?

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                    Me neither. And it's probably contributing to þe declining viewership.

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                      Its because theres too many "dead subscriptions". The algorithm punishes channels that have subs that dont interact with saud channel.

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                      This is such a strange concept. Like fundamentally a subscription is just a mechanism to allow a viewer to easily keep track of new content on a channel. By viewing the channels contents you're engaging in 100% of the interaction you should be expected to have with a subscribed channel. If Google really wanted to address the problem of old subscriptions people are ignoring they should just prompt people to unsubscribe to channels that they haven't watched any videos from in a long time. Instead they're fucking with view counts because that saves them money. The whole thing is fishy, but Google has always treated being inscrutable and capricious as if those were virtues.

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                        Like doing what? All I see is the most bias video about nothing for an hour long. He is this bias and that's the worst stuff he can find? I've taken dumps that were more offensive. Compared to any other person in the news and this is milk toast bland.

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                        I haven't seen the video yet either, but that's not bias, that's Louis Rossmann. He always speaks like that. He's not a random tech YouTuber. He's very provocative and holds a cult-like fanbase (though I haven't watched enough of his to have an opinion whether that's warranted; I personally don't like provocative rage content but that seems to be all the rage).

                        Also, there's extensive chaptering with a title for each.

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                        • M [email protected]

                          A lot of Youtube channels are reporting declining viewership lately.

                          EX1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpVnx4_yqTo
                          EX2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0tmhEtVJE

                          Fun times. Looks like a lot of channels are seeing a decline not just Linus. Hes just the latest to talk about it.

                          Then I saw this article as well and thought I would share.

                          Anyone here youtube creators? Are you seeing the same thing, a general downturn in viewership?

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                          Don't care

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                          • M [email protected]

                            A lot of Youtube channels are reporting declining viewership lately.

                            EX1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpVnx4_yqTo
                            EX2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0tmhEtVJE

                            Fun times. Looks like a lot of channels are seeing a decline not just Linus. Hes just the latest to talk about it.

                            Then I saw this article as well and thought I would share.

                            Anyone here youtube creators? Are you seeing the same thing, a general downturn in viewership?

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                            Note that Sportskeeda is a user-generated source.

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                              The problem is that there aren't any really viable alternatives. YouTube has three major advantages and all three are necessary. First and most critically it has a viable business model (that is it has a way to earn money to pay creators). It's a shitty business model, but it is viable which already puts it ahead of most services that are coasting on VC funds and hoping they'll trip over a business model before they go bankrupt. Second it has the infrastructure and capital to actually serve content. Running a video streaming service is the single largest bandwidth consumer you could possibly come up with and that means considerable network infrastructure costs, to say nothing of the storage demands. Third it has network effect going for it. Nobody is going to watch videos on your platform if there's only a couple dozen of them total. The sheer size and scope of YouTube means no matter what you're looking for you can find something to watch. It's a one stop shop for AV content.

                              Every single competitor to YouTube has failed on one of those points, usually the first one, rarely the second. The last service I saw come close to hitting all three was Vimeo, but it flamed out not even a decade after it launched. Twitch.tv is struggling to make their accounting work and isn't even a direct competitor because they're pushing hard for live streams as opposed to pre-recorded videos. Alternatives like PeerTube have no business model and will never attract creators or a mainstream audience. Paid hosting platforms like Floatplane are replacements for traditional video streaming services like Amazon Video or Netflix not really platforms where just anybody can set up a channel and start posting videos.

                              To paraphrase a famous saying, YouTube is the worst public video streaming service except for every other one. Until someone comes along and figures out how to make enough money to reliably pay creators and has enough capital to actually serve that content reliably and in high quality YouTube isn't going anywhere.

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                              #34

                              I wanna like Peertube as an alternative, but I can't find any content I like there. And the app is so awkward to use.

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                                It's insane he ever had a healthy viewership in the first place.

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                                His videos have always seemed like long-form advertisements for various tech products

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                                  His videos have always seemed like long-form advertisements for various tech products

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                                  I learned about him right before his whole PopOs thing. I couldn't believe that people would take computing advice from someone who also doesn't read what's on the screen in front of him. I expect this from my users I do tech support for, but not someone that bills himself as something as an expert.

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                                  • M [email protected]

                                    A lot of Youtube channels are reporting declining viewership lately.

                                    EX1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpVnx4_yqTo
                                    EX2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0tmhEtVJE

                                    Fun times. Looks like a lot of channels are seeing a decline not just Linus. Hes just the latest to talk about it.

                                    Then I saw this article as well and thought I would share.

                                    Anyone here youtube creators? Are you seeing the same thing, a general downturn in viewership?

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                                    odysee
                                    peertube

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                                      What would make me really happy is if viewership across YouTube entirely was down because people were getting fed up with YouTube and shifting to alternatives.

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                                      Honestly, YouTube is the “least bad” of most commercial social media.

                                      If people go to Twitter or Discord or whatever instead, that would be awful.

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                                      • M [email protected]

                                        A lot of Youtube channels are reporting declining viewership lately.

                                        EX1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpVnx4_yqTo
                                        EX2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0tmhEtVJE

                                        Fun times. Looks like a lot of channels are seeing a decline not just Linus. Hes just the latest to talk about it.

                                        Then I saw this article as well and thought I would share.

                                        Anyone here youtube creators? Are you seeing the same thing, a general downturn in viewership?

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                                        I dunno. Something about the content I think.

                                        A few years back some of their content was fun and interesting. Now lately it's all either "here's a bunch of comparisons of hardware you can't even afford" or "Linus puts some ridiculous tech in his own personal house - thanks for subsidizing his home improvement projects by the way"

                                        I will still watch an occasional video but there are other tech related channels that I enjoy a lot more.

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                                        • M [email protected]

                                          A lot of Youtube channels are reporting declining viewership lately.

                                          EX1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpVnx4_yqTo
                                          EX2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0tmhEtVJE

                                          Fun times. Looks like a lot of channels are seeing a decline not just Linus. Hes just the latest to talk about it.

                                          Then I saw this article as well and thought I would share.

                                          Anyone here youtube creators? Are you seeing the same thing, a general downturn in viewership?

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                                          Problem with their channel specifically, is their hypocrisy, BS, lack of research and just misleading their viewer-base. People remember.

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