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  • A [email protected]

    Thank you! Seems like very few people understand the concept of free speech.

    It doesn't mean you can say whatever you want with no consequences, which is seeming what a lot of people believe

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    Problem is there's a big undertone of the administration penalizing news organizations that day things that are unwelcome. Interfering with their business dealings, limiting their access to information they need to provide coverage, bending things a bit to help out "news" outlets that are treating him well.

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      Let it go dude. We are here now you don’t need to keep talking about your ex.

      It’s virtue signalling at best as the overwhelming majority here agree with you. So what do you have to gain by saying this? You’re literally preaching to the converted.

      Surely this isn’t your whole identity.

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      You gate keeping me from comments against Reddit?

      Get bent.

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      • medicpigbabysaver@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

        You gate keeping me from comments against Reddit?

        Get bent.

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        #43

        Nah fam. Carry on if you like just know you’re preaching to the converted, but if that’s what strokes your ego crack on.

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          Edit: Guess who won't face any accountability.

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          Every Reich needs a Horst Wessel

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          • F [email protected]

            No, you are conflating the first amendment, a limited protection of free speech, with free speech itself.

            It is very much a violation of free speech, its just not illegal. It still is immoral.

            EDIT: fixed second amendment to first amendment

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            I guess I misunderstood something here.

            I just don't think you should be able to say whatever you want without any consequences. Eg. Call someone a slur, get punched in the face. I don't think that's a violation of free speech

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              Edit: Guess who won't face any accountability.

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              There is some notable discrepancy between how USA citizens describe their (theoretical & practical) "free speech" vs how the rest of the world sees their "free speech" in the same regard.

              It's def a complex subject but I don't think a lot of people think USA is at the forefront of this.

              (But it is extensively marketed - most countries/cultures/regimes have such tidbits, which differ a lot.)

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              • D [email protected]

                Let it go dude. We are here now you don’t need to keep talking about your ex.

                It’s virtue signalling at best as the overwhelming majority here agree with you. So what do you have to gain by saying this? You’re literally preaching to the converted.

                Surely this isn’t your whole identity.

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                Yeah, talking about you ex (while happily) on Lemmy seems unnecessary, tho it's not like they are expressing an uncommon opinion.

                Not sure why they didn't express any opinion on fucking or bending Musky in the same context (it's right there, a perhaps weird omission).

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                • cruxifux@feddit.nlC [email protected]

                  Conservative economics are not actually good economics. I hate that even liberals like to concede to the “economics” brand that conservatives talk about.

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                  As someone who has actually taken whole assed courses on economics.... What economics?

                  Whether conservative or liberal, politicians don't make economic decisions, they make political decisions.

                  I have yet to see any politician who consistently made, or even publicly recognised, the better economic decision.

                  Economically, a well trained, and healthy population is a good thing. So providing relief for the costs of being healthy through something like a healthcare program, is in everyone's best interest. Ensuring that people can get the training they need to be the most efficient they can be, is in everyone's best interest. These things are good for the economy.

                  Conservatives make it seem like they're making choices that are good for the economy, and they certainly make statements that try to convince everyone that's the case, but bluntly, they make capitalistic decisions. Decisions that help capitalists. If they can rob, steal, kill, or maim someone to bump profits, they'll do it, and their friends in government will help them do it, and get protection for doing it.

                  They're not interested in the economy, they're interested in their pocketbook, and whatever make it fatter. Even if the cost is future economic downturn, they'll do it if it bumps profits this quarter.

                  .... Like firing an entire department to save on the wages of the people that they fired, when those people are still needed, and now you'll need to spend more money to hire replacements for almost all of them, but this quarters numbers will look amazing, and the CEO, and his buddies in the c-suite will get their bonuses, and the shareholders will get a few dollars more per share in dividends this quarter.

                  They wouldn't know good economics if they were surrounded by it. They can't see that far.

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                    Using his wife’s position to do insane levels of insider trading.

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                    • cruxifux@feddit.nlC [email protected]

                      Using his wife’s position to do insane levels of insider trading.

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                      That's worth being beaten with a hammer to you? Do you think the guy who attacked him even knew about that, though?

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                      • M [email protected]

                        As someone who has actually taken whole assed courses on economics.... What economics?

                        Whether conservative or liberal, politicians don't make economic decisions, they make political decisions.

                        I have yet to see any politician who consistently made, or even publicly recognised, the better economic decision.

                        Economically, a well trained, and healthy population is a good thing. So providing relief for the costs of being healthy through something like a healthcare program, is in everyone's best interest. Ensuring that people can get the training they need to be the most efficient they can be, is in everyone's best interest. These things are good for the economy.

                        Conservatives make it seem like they're making choices that are good for the economy, and they certainly make statements that try to convince everyone that's the case, but bluntly, they make capitalistic decisions. Decisions that help capitalists. If they can rob, steal, kill, or maim someone to bump profits, they'll do it, and their friends in government will help them do it, and get protection for doing it.

                        They're not interested in the economy, they're interested in their pocketbook, and whatever make it fatter. Even if the cost is future economic downturn, they'll do it if it bumps profits this quarter.

                        .... Like firing an entire department to save on the wages of the people that they fired, when those people are still needed, and now you'll need to spend more money to hire replacements for almost all of them, but this quarters numbers will look amazing, and the CEO, and his buddies in the c-suite will get their bonuses, and the shareholders will get a few dollars more per share in dividends this quarter.

                        They wouldn't know good economics if they were surrounded by it. They can't see that far.

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                        Oh I know. I took a few courses on economics in college too. It’s absolutely insane and seems so obvious to me that this should be seen as bad economic policy. It’s wild that a commonly held belief by a lot of people is that conservative politicians are good for the economy, they just lack social morality or some shit. Their economics are absolutely idiotic and horrible.

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                        • medicpigbabysaver@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                          You gate keeping me from comments against Reddit?

                          Get bent.

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                          you can do what you want but other people are allowed to think you're lame lol

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                          • E [email protected]

                            Yeah, talking about you ex (while happily) on Lemmy seems unnecessary, tho it's not like they are expressing an uncommon opinion.

                            Not sure why they didn't express any opinion on fucking or bending Musky in the same context (it's right there, a perhaps weird omission).

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                            I’m sorry I don’t understand what you’re saying with your last sentence?

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                            • A [email protected]

                              I guess I misunderstood something here.

                              I just don't think you should be able to say whatever you want without any consequences. Eg. Call someone a slur, get punched in the face. I don't think that's a violation of free speech

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                              I also agree you should not be able to call people slurs. You should be punished but not by your employer.

                              But neither divisive nor hateful is a slur, neither are they inaccurate statements about Kirk. NBC most likely did not take the decision to fire the guy based on ethics.

                              Now let's say another news anchor grows some balls and says "Israel is committing genocide" and their channel fires them. Do you also think it's not a violation of free speech? That they should face consequences?

                              I am talking about free speech, not the second amendment, morality and ethics not US law.

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                              • O [email protected]

                                Freedom of speech is words that they will bend. Metallica taught me that in 1988.

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                                Freedom with their exception.

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                                • cruxifux@feddit.nlC [email protected]

                                  Oh I know. I took a few courses on economics in college too. It’s absolutely insane and seems so obvious to me that this should be seen as bad economic policy. It’s wild that a commonly held belief by a lot of people is that conservative politicians are good for the economy, they just lack social morality or some shit. Their economics are absolutely idiotic and horrible.

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                                  To be fair, the "other side" isn't really any better.

                                  I've kind of seen left/right as socialistic/capitalistic respectively. Personally, I'm bigger on social/community/common (for everyone) services, like universal healthcare, than I am for capitalism in general.

                                  There absolutely cannot be consolidation of power, making any government more like an authoritarian regime, regardless of social/communal views or objectives, but at the same time, it is theoretically possible to have a healthy amount of socialism in a democracy. Many EU nations have struck a good balance of these things already, and my country, Canada, isn't super far behind them. America is still stuck in cave-man, aggressive capitalism times.

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                                  • F [email protected]

                                    No, you are conflating the first amendment, a limited protection of free speech, with free speech itself.

                                    It is very much a violation of free speech, its just not illegal. It still is immoral.

                                    EDIT: fixed second amendment to first amendment

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                                    *first amendment

                                    Though some do conflate guns with free speech as well...

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                                    • aramova@infosec.pubA [email protected]

                                      bunch of disengenous fuck bags with zero beliefs outside of economics

                                      I feel "economice" is too wide of a phrase to be used with these cunts.

                                      They don't believe in economics, they believe in self service, control, and grifting as much as they can.

                                      It's not economics, it's taking advantage of the mentally disabled half of the population.

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                                      Yeah, I used the term loosely to represent Money. No American government has displayed sound economic policy in terms of their populace. Economics itself is a broken fake science that does not factor in real world costs like human lives, environmental damage, etc...

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                                      • allnewtypeface@leminal.spaceA [email protected]

                                        Every Reich needs a Horst Wessel

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                                        Oh God I hope nobody writes a bad fucking song about him we will have to listen to at every Nazi march for the next 80 years

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                                        • Z [email protected]

                                          *first amendment

                                          Though some do conflate guns with free speech as well...

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                                          Thanks for the correction, my bad

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