Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan
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I voted for Harris, but I also recognize the great value of people refusing to vote for a Democratic candidate when they move too far to the right. If there is no consequence for drifting right, the candidates will continue to do so.
The whole "preserve democracy" thing sounds good if you don't think about it too hard, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. The Biden/Harris team proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they weren't capable of defending democracy. Nominating Garland proved that. The dems pathetic response to Trump's current lawlessness has proven that.
You can't "defend democracy" just by saying the words "defend democracy." You actually have to do it. And they proved that they were either unwilling or incapable of actually defending democracy. That's why that talking point so fell flat.
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YOU do not seem to know how elections work beyond a single cycle. You view each election as singular isolated event, and you have zero perspective of the grander game that's played between cycles.
What exactly do you think would happen if 100% of Dem voters always "voted blue no matter who?" If every Dem vote is already locked in from day one, what incentive does the party have to do anything to actually represent them? This is why the Dems worked so hard to court Republicans to vote for Harris. They figured that the Dem base was so scared of Trump that their votes were already locked in.
If you want a party to actually represent your beliefs, there have to be some people on your side willing to walk away if the party drifts too far out of line. If no Democratic voters are ever willing to abandon a Democrat for being too conservative, then the Dem candidates will drift further and further right each cycle.
Yes, there's the idea of democracy being on the line, but when is democracy NOT going to be on the line? And truthfully, the Democratic leaders proved that they were not reliable stewards of Democracy. The party that nominated Garland had zero ability to argue that they would defend democracy. Just look at how limp-wristed the Democrats in Congress have been in responding to Trump's lawlessness. These people are not capable of defending democracy. Trump should have been thrown in Gitmo on day one of the Biden administration. Instead Biden nominated a Republican to be his attorney general, and the rest is history.
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When did I defend genocide?
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People can weasel themselves around terms like "fascist" quite easily, because there are multiple definitions, many are very diffuse and there's a lot of disagreement around it - but ethnic cleansing to my understanding is quite simple and this is it. Can any serious political commentator pretend it's not? The forced removal of Poles from west Poland (annexed by USSR) after WW2 for example was not a slaughter, but is considered an act of ethnic cleansing.
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And yet Trump is still worse on that "single issue" that was important enough to let him win over.
Yeah, I'd like the Democrats to be farther left on a lot of things too, but I understand the system we live in and I remember 2016-2020.
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The DNC could have run an iguana wearing an offensive trucker hat, and we still should have voted for the iguana when Trump was the alternative or stood a chance of winning again.
You don't have to convince me of this. I completely agree. I've said only that the DNC has a responsibility to provide something better than an Iguana and for the past three election cycles, that's what we've got and people are pissed.
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Where did I say who I voted for?
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I said something similar a few months before he got into office, got down voted to hell.
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What is this thing? And why?
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At least she and Biden attempted to negotiate peace.
No, they really didn't
The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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The disingenuous is your statement saying they will be allowed back, how about move them back to their home that they cannot return to since 1984 ? or moving them to housing options in west bank ? why Egypt? why Jordan?
why would Egypt send their military and build a wall across the border when Biden admin suggested that? Israel was planing that before October, On June 2023 their prime minister goes to UN and draw a pipeline on a map across Gaza. Making it clear they want to annex it. Do you think the US weren't aware of it? Do you think Egypt who warn Israel about October didn't pass the info to the US?
Do you really think people don't read history or know what is going on to believe outlandish statement that Biden will move them to Egypt, drop the equivalent of two nuclear bomb on the region, then build it up, then bring people back?
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Yes Biden did want to kick out the Palestinians, he just tried to do it under the table
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-egypt-trump-displacement-bc1c43f80655190824a5de4eb1d310cc"The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu."
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Friendly reminder: The crescendo of the first six months of project 2025 is using civil unrest to deploy the US Military as a domestic police force. The accompanying suspension of habeus corpus is absolutely needed for them to turn up the heat even more.
They're laying the groundwork for defanging the judicial branch as we speak - it's their last obstacle.
From https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i/clauses/763 (emphasis mine):
"The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it. "
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Yea, this stinkin' debate is just sterile, look ahead, there is a 50m tidal wave coming at everyone while you bicker!
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Not surprising to say the least. Just have to wonder how bad will it get.
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Hey, at least it isn't Kamala doing this. There wouldn't even be any Palestinians left to not return to Gaza!
