Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan
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While I do agree that voting for the lesser evil is the correct thing to do for harm reduction and advocated for people to do so during the campaign, ultimately this points to a much larger issue with our supposedly representative institutions.
Unfortunately, the reality is the vast majority of people do not vote on the basis of harm reduction or lesser evil. Most people are too busy working paycheck to paycheck and tuned out of politics. That said there any plenty of popular policies that would gain their interest, policies that would improve their material conditions. Both good policy and good communication is needed here. As well as good politics to follow through and deliver those policies.
The much larger issue is whether the Democratic Party, which is supposed to represent the working class (at least since the New Deal), is genuinely interested in listening to and fighting for their voter base (working class people) or are instead prioritizing the desires of the Donor Class who provide a significant amount of money to the Party (as well as the Republican Party) and who's capital interests are opposed to the voter base. To me it seems clear that the Democratic Party prioritizes the donors at the expense of the voters.
And if that is the case, we have a serious issue. No one is genuinely representing the material interests of the vast majority of Americans. Both parties are completely captured by corporate interests and one only serves as a controlled opposition, creating a rachet effect towards Fascism.
In that case, I think the only way forward is grassroots. Community organizations and unions that do genuinely represent the material needs of the working class. Which is also a problem because unions have been systematically dismantled for decades, we are only recently seeing a resurgence. Non-profit organizations are under serious threat of being labeled terrorist organizations and cut out from all federal funding with no evidence needed. Despite that, I still think it's the only real way forward. Especially with the Democratic Party refusing to recognize the reason for their loss (they instead decided to blame it on their advocation of trans rights, which is completely unacceptable and untrue)
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Hey but at least all those enlightened dipshits didn't vote for Kamala! Who could have guessed that Trump's Palestine policy would be even worse?? Oh yeah, everyone else. Thanks a lot dipshits
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They're not my enemy, but they are idiots who deserve to be shamed for their terrible decision
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Explain to me how I did that
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Trump is the handler in this case. Handling Putin's balls.
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Biden suggests to move Palestinian to Egypt and Jordan as early as October 2023. So did previous US administration it goes back to 80s.
Saying the quite part out load is what is different now and the Democrats pretend they are upset while Both Kamala and Biden saying their proud Zionist.
What is now different is that Trump want the place for himself not for Israel nor the US.
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The sheer audacity of treating sovereign territories like Monopoly properties reveals the bankruptcy of modern geopolitics. Trump's alleged "Gaza swap" proposal – offering Egypt debt relief for absorbing a war-torn enclave – reeks of casino diplomacy where human lives become bargaining chips. This isn't statecraft, it's a foreclosure auction on human dignity.
Egypt's immediate rejection proves even authoritarian regimes recognize some lines shouldn't be crossed. But the real tragedy lies in normalizing this billionaire's mentality that every crisis is a leveraged buyout opportunity. From the Abraham Accords to this Gaza garage sale, it's all about transactional trophy deals while ignoring root causes.
The Mediterranean doesn't need another real estate mogul playing Risk with refugee camps. This isn't solving conflict – it's outsourcing oppression through financial blackmail. The message is clear: human rights have become adjustable-rate mortgages in the hands of dealmakers.
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What's the end goal here, cause another 9/11 so he can declare martial law?
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Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term instead of being forced to flee repeatedly within the country.
Trying to equate the two is quite disingenuous.
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She wouldn't let a Palestinian speak at the DNC and pledged to do everything in her power to suck up to Netanyahu. There is so much cope here. There is no fucking difference between Biden, Kamala and Trump. They all suck off Satanyahu. The US is controlled by the Israel lobby. Mearsheimer has been screaming about this for 20 years.
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Why does this feel like Johnathan Irons from Call of Duty Advanced Warfare with "New Baghdad."
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So.... More concentration camps?
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Not even gonna try to pretend it isn't ethnic cleansing...
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Probably say "I gave them a chance, now we need to exterminate, since we have no other options"
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Yeah, it's those thoughts and prayers people keep sending in light of disaster. It's great, you get to claim the moral high ground while burying your head in the sand about the realities of the situation.
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This is such a thought terminating question being posed in bad faith.
You can respect and support the Palestinian people, and still realize that Harris was the best option for the Palestinians we had on the table. To not vote was giving a vote to trump, and trump is significantly worse than Harris for the Palestinians, this is objective truth, we have the facts in front of us right now.
Not voting was essentially voting against the Palestinian people.
Is it fair that we had the choices we had in November? No.
But the protest vote just turned into voting for this century's Mussolini and a guy who's doing his damnedest to start WW3.
Which seems...antithetical to the purpose of the protest vote? So who really won here?
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So did the DNC though, supporting Israel was more important to them than winning "the most important election of our time".
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Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term
Just how gullible are you? When has any expulsion or relocation of Palestinians out of a territory ever been temporary? Biden isn't a complete moron. He would know as well as anyone that there is no such thing as a temporary relocation of Palestinians.
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People immigrating to the US? Criminal invaders. The biggest threat to America. Meanwhile, let's turn an entry country into refugees and forcibly relocate them into other countries without the consent of anyone involved. Makes perfect sense. /s
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I hope you look forward to voting for Ted Cruz, the Democratic candidate for president in 2028. After all, he'll in theory be a little better than Trump running for his third term, so logically it's our duty to support Mr. Cruz for president. The only criteria any Democrat is allowed to use is whether the Democratic candidate is a tiny bit better than the Republican.
If you refuse to vote for President Cruz, you will be fully morally responsible for any of Trump's actions in his third term. After all, there's no magical third candidate with a prospect of winning.
This is the moral hazard of the "vote blue no matter who" crowd. If the Democratic base is already locked in no matter what, then there's no need for the party to work to actually reflect Democratic values. The people running the party only care about winning for the sake of winning. They don't actually believe in anything; they're just shameless power chasers. And if the Dem base will vote for literally anyone the Dems nominate, then Dems might as well just nominate Ted Cruz, Liz Cheney, or some other Republican. What better way to appeal to suburban Republican voters than by nominating an actual Republican?
The truth is that in order for the Democratic Party to actually mean anything, there have to be some people on the left side of the spectrum willing to walk away if the party moves too far to the right. If there's no consequence to drifting to the right, the party will just become a duplicate of the Republican Party. Eventually we'll just end up with an election between the KKK candidate and the skinhead candidate. That would literally be the outcome if every Democratic voter blindly "voted blue no matter who."
Obviously, there's the argument of voting to defend democracy. But the sad truth is that centrist dems have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are actually incapable of defending democracy. You can't run on something that you've proven yourself utterly incapable of doing. The party that appointed Merrick Garland could not credibly argue that they were going to vigorously defend democracy. Even now, their pathetic response to Trump's lawlessness shows that they are incapable of fighting for democracy.
