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  • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

    I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

    It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

    Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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    Downvoted. You didn't read the rules of the sub. Yes, you should be allowed to do it, morally speaking. But if you red their notice you'll realise exactly why you aren't allowed to do so. Anyway welcome to Lemmy

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      Yeah this is a based af reason for comment removal

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      rogue has bad reading comprehension, the rule is not only about graphene, and that's not even what it even says about graphene

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        how do you discuss privacy on android devices if you can't even do so much as mention the name of an android rom. this is truly insane.

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        • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

          I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

          It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

          Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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          Recently there was a discussion about an r/privacy mod, carrotcypher. they have been mod on that sub since before the reddit exodus but they are making very strange decisions, to put it lightly

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            Downvoted. You didn't read the rules of the sub. Yes, you should be allowed to do it, morally speaking. But if you red their notice you'll realise exactly why you aren't allowed to do so. Anyway welcome to Lemmy

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            You are right, I didn't read the rules. But, as you said, I should be able as it isn't an illegal topic mentioning privacy orientated os. Should I read every line of rule of each and everything I buy/use? Definitely. Do I? Nope, and I don't think anyone does as we usually tend to apply common sense.
            And again, you are right, but I think, as that's the point of my post, it is nonsense having that rule in a privacy forum. It is like not being able to mention chocolate in a bakery.

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            • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

              You are right, I didn't read the rules. But, as you said, I should be able as it isn't an illegal topic mentioning privacy orientated os. Should I read every line of rule of each and everything I buy/use? Definitely. Do I? Nope, and I don't think anyone does as we usually tend to apply common sense.
              And again, you are right, but I think, as that's the point of my post, it is nonsense having that rule in a privacy forum. It is like not being able to mention chocolate in a bakery.

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              To their credit, it's not that they don't want you to post about Graphene there out of something against Graphene. I remember a time when posts on Graphene existed on the sub. But it's the Graphene devs who don't want it, and the subs moderators simply respect their opinion.

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                rogue has bad reading comprehension, the rule is not only about graphene, and that's not even what it even says about graphene

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                It says "GrapheneOS developers do not wish to use reddit as a platform to discuss their products". What do you not understand about this?

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                • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

                  I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

                  It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

                  Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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                  Eh, I get the rule. On the surface, it seems stupid because the subject of rom options is pretty integral to privacy

                  However, discussion of roms tends to always devolve into what amounts to fanboyism at some point. You end up with a lot of "yeah, but" and "but they are/aren't" that covers the same ground every single time, and users have to wade through the bullshit to get to anything useful.

                  It's the same conversation every time, so you reach a point where it's better to just outright ban rom/os so that other issues aren't drowned by that.

                  It's damned if you don't damned if you do, there's no good choice, so you make the choice that's less hassle on average

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                    What are you sniffing? There's no more pro censorship platform then Reddit. Lemmy at least keeps a mod log.

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                    You misread my comment. Try again

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                      You misread my comment. Try again

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                      No, what you wrote sucks any way you slice it. You try again.

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                      • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

                        I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

                        It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

                        Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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                        Google is a Reddit partner now, so they probably don't want discussion of anything that removes them from the loop, thus privacy is very limited to "privacy from everyone but Google" or whatever corporate blob is currently funding Reddit. This is why Reddit is dead to me, basically it is now all about profit and communities can only exist if they contribute to that goal.

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                          No, what you wrote sucks any way you slice it. You try again.

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                          It's a .ml user.

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                            It's a .ml user.

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                            Oh. Right.

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                            • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

                              I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

                              It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

                              Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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                              I mean it's reddit. Example: I used to get on there from time to time, I'm fairly involved in homelessness services. Almost every time someone gets on there asking for help with food and I send them a link to food kitchens, food banks and other actual social services they can use to get themselves back on their feet, it gets pulled with an explanation of something like "well, we were just hoping for general advice not anything practical" from whatever mod removes the comment. I have some opinions on that.

                              It's less to do with your comments, more to do with the platform and the specific mods

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                                But how else will my baja get blasted properly

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                                  No, what you wrote sucks any way you slice it. You try again.

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                                  And how do you interpret what I wrote?

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                                  • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

                                    I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

                                    It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

                                    Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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                                    I got perma-banned and modmail-muted for talking about the rule, not the OS itself. The moderators are a bunch of absolute fucks and don't give a single shit either. I did not break the rule, but got perma-banned. Then got perma-banned from Reddit for "ban evasion" because I messaged the moderators about my wrongful subreddit ban. My appeal was denied. Fuck em.

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                                    • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

                                      I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

                                      It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

                                      Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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                                      The only thing to post on reddit, is that Lemmy is better

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                                      • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

                                        I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

                                        It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

                                        Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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                                        reddit = garbage , thats all this is

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                                        • petaqui@lemmings.worldP [email protected]

                                          I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.

                                          It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.

                                          Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.

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                                          Glad I deleted my account last week.

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