Why Lemmy is so superior to Reddit: No Karma, Just Value Content
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For all the problems with karma it did allow for effective filtering. With most accounts on Lemmy being harder to create with captcha and approval it might not be needed
Yeah i just hope it stays that way and users stay genuine. A while ago i noticed some users who were really stubborn about some weird agenda. Not sure if bot or just stupid human.
Also, nicole (the fediverse chick) is turning into a problem.
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I just hope that Lemmy stays nice. I don't want it to reach 100 million+ users and be overwhelmed with RAGEBAIT and scams.
Ragebait here is saying you like Windows for its open design.
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Our value comes from our superior bean-based posting economy.
fun fact: i'm allergic to beans (i think), but i still like it here
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For all the problems with karma it did allow for effective filtering. With most accounts on Lemmy being harder to create with captcha and approval it might not be needed
I disagree.
All bots and astroturfers had no problem getting 500 karma or whatever with one /r/funny repost. Which just meant new users can't contribute and every subreddit is left with power users and trolls.
This would be even easier to game on Lemmy as it's much more open and federated so getting 500 karma by a bot would be super easy.
The only reliable way to moderate is manual review with technical fingerprint. I work in online fraud detection.
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I disagree.
All bots and astroturfers had no problem getting 500 karma or whatever with one /r/funny repost. Which just meant new users can't contribute and every subreddit is left with power users and trolls.
This would be even easier to game on Lemmy as it's much more open and federated so getting 500 karma by a bot would be super easy.
The only reliable way to moderate is manual review with technical fingerprint. I work in online fraud detection.
Bots it was pretty poor against. But it was amazing for random trolls who manually created accounts. Did cause disruption for newer uses though you just manually approve a few comments until they get over the karma threshold. I just wish there was a one click "ignore this filter for this account"
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Ragebait here is saying you like Windows for its open design.
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I just hope that Lemmy stays nice. I don't want it to reach 100 million+ users and be overwhelmed with RAGEBAIT and scams.
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Give it another year or two and we'll have some website that tallies the karma of lemmy users. Clout is an insidious disease that grows like a social cancer.
Give it another year or two and we’ll have some website that tallies the karma of lemmy users. Clout is an insidious disease that grows like a social cancer.
It has already happened with this piece of cancer.
https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/
Find people who have low karma
When someone is consistently getting downvoted it’s likely they are a problem. PieFed provides a list of accounts with low karma, sorted by lowest first. Clicking on their user name takes you to their profile which shows all their posts and comments in one place. Every profile has “Ban” and “Ban + Purge” buttons that have instance-wide effects and are only visible to admins.
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Quality content? You mean the exact same stuff that’s on Reddit, often copied directly from Reddit?
800,000 “Trump bad! Look at this latest bad thing Elong did!” posts a day is not quality content
You mean the exact same stuff that’s on Reddit, often copied directly from Reddit?
No. We mean all the stuff that Lemmy gets that Reddit either doesn't get at all or gets a day later than Lemmy.
“Trump bad! Look at this latest bad thing Elong did!” posts a day is not quality content
This bad thing that Trump did looks like very worthwhile content.
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Piefed implements an "attitude" system which tracks up vote ratio and a few other simple metrics mods can use to identify bad actors
"bad actors" simply means "unpopular or politically incorrect opinions". Fuck that.
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Yeah but I won't because I like dopamine.
heres 1 (one) dopamine unit for you then
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Genuinely curious, does that mean that, for you, getting downvoted gives you dopamine/a sense of accomplishment?
Your above comment is in the negative when I'm making this comment. Does that feel good? Again, genuinely curious, hard to put a non-judgemental tone in writing.
I can't relate to that feeling, upvotes and downvotes to me show how much a community agrees or disagrees with what I've said. Either what I said isn't right for the community I posted it in or maybe just a generally unpopular opinion if I'm getting downvotes. Might make me reflect but usually no big deal, I'm mostly here for the discussions, memes and current events. Outside of trolling I don't really see how getting downvoted might be seen as a good thing by a poster.
Does that feel good?
I just want the absolute value of my comment's karma to be high. That means it has been read at least that many times.
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I just hope that Lemmy stays nice. I don't want it to reach 100 million+ users and be overwhelmed with RAGEBAIT and scams.
Same here, I like lemmy too, I just wish more people would use it
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The downvotes prove your point. This topic needs more discussion, but most of the times when women bring this up, their comments get downvoted to hell. It's quite a "gotcha" for someone to ask to see "examples" when most of the examples we've come across or created will be buried or have since been deleted.
Alternative question - for those that don't believe this is an issue, when is the last time you came across a post on Lemmy that is specifically for/about women or women's issues (especially one posted from a woman's perspective)? Or even better, go ahead and make such a post. Watch how fast the downvotes come.
I expect this comment to be downvoted the same way as the parent comment was, the same way that past posts I've made and read about women's issues have been downvoted on Lemmy. If men want this place to be inclusive for women, they have to do their part to support us - not downvoting our concerns, simply because they don't experience the same issues, is the absolute bare minimum. Otherwise, why would we keep posting/commenting about our issues when doing so invites a downvote cascade?
when is the last time you came across a post on Lemmy that is specifically for/about women or women’s issues
The same amount of time I came across a post that is about men's issues. A really long time. The vast majority of comments should not be about identity politics, unless it is a feature of the specific community.
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Unfortunately, on reddit - when subreddits restrict new posters or low karma commenters, they're just trying to mitigate the impact of trolls and bots and people making new accounts. It's not about being elitist.
It’s not about being elitist.
What's the difference? They shouldn't be doing it.
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low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit
But should they?
One of the things I miss about reddit (and slashdot before that) was that if you got downvoted/downmodded a lot in a short amount of time, it would tell you to slow down (, cowboy). It helped to limit the damage when someone would go on a troll spree before they got banned.
Some subreddits did implement a "you must have x karma to post" rule, or account age, which I wasn't always a fan of, especially if it was karma within a certain subreddit. I understand the logic, that it was intended to make people read the community before posting, but I'm not sure if it hit the mark. But it did limit brand-new spam accounts, which are already here on lemmy.
One of the things I miss about reddit (and slashdot before that) was that if you got downvoted/downmodded a lot in a short amount of time, it would tell you to slow down
That was a horrible system. If you didn't get positive karma on your very first post, your account was ruined because you could never dig yourself out.
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It’s not about being elitist.
What's the difference? They shouldn't be doing it.
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idk what to tell you, but that is what that number means. Here is mine, you can see it shows a 1 as ive only ever made 1 post, and not a 3 for the number of points on my only post. Also im not sure this applies to other lemmy instances, might just be a lemm.ee thing.
You guys are both wrong. It's the number times in life that you've farted and lied about it.
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Some communities use a "santabot" to auto-ban accounts with more downvotes than upvotes. I've never seen it happen to someone who didn't deserve it.
Unpopular opinions deserve to be silenced? Terrible idea. We already have way too much group think.
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If/when it does get big enough, what would be a good solution? It would be possible to do the same as Reddit
If/when it does get big enough, what would be a good solution?
The best solution is to do nothing and don't try to bring reddit's groupthink enforcement flaws to lemmy.
