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Signal is not the place for top secret communications, but it might be the right choice for you – a cybersecurity expert on what to look for in a secure messaging app

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      Considering the US government now owns Meta and thus WhatsApp, it’s an interesting case… why did they use signal?

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        EVERYONE SHOULD DOWNLOAD SIGNAL for PHONE-NUMBER-based communication, tho. Proper RCS is not here yet (and won't be in a long while), so let's try to mobilize people to Signal.

        DeltaChat is cooler for non-phone based communications, IMO, and decentralization makes it way sexier and worth this tradeoff.

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          EVERYONE SHOULD DOWNLOAD SIGNAL for PHONE-NUMBER-based communication, tho. Proper RCS is not here yet (and won't be in a long while), so let's try to mobilize people to Signal.

          DeltaChat is cooler for non-phone based communications, IMO, and decentralization makes it way sexier and worth this tradeoff.

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          I use signal myself but I also use simple X. I can't use delta chat because I use proton for my email and therefore can't use delta.

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            EVERYONE SHOULD DOWNLOAD SIGNAL for PHONE-NUMBER-based communication, tho. Proper RCS is not here yet (and won't be in a long while), so let's try to mobilize people to Signal.

            DeltaChat is cooler for non-phone based communications, IMO, and decentralization makes it way sexier and worth this tradeoff.

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            Actually RCS has encryption in the new spec now, and we could see encrypted RCS messages implemented on iOS and Android within a year.

            But even so, use Signal.

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            • bushvin@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

              Considering the US government now owns Meta and thus WhatsApp, it’s an interesting case… why did they use signal?

              merde@sh.itjust.worksM This user is from outside of this forum
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              because "they" don't trust the people they "represent" and they want to avoid federal archives

              they must know something about WhatsApp that we don't

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                Actually RCS has encryption in the new spec now, and we could see encrypted RCS messages implemented on iOS and Android within a year.

                But even so, use Signal.

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                RCS still leaks metadata like a sieve. Encryption, considering the platforms that exist today (Signal and SimpleX), should not be the minimum requirement. Plain-text messaging should not even be possible in modern secure messaging platforms. The platform should be open source and be engineered to mitigate the collection of metadata - like Signal and SimpleX.

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                  because "they" don't trust the people they "represent" and they want to avoid federal archives

                  they must know something about WhatsApp that we don't

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                  There's nothing to know; facebook is facebook, and nobody trusts facebook for data security. Whatsapp is not, nor will it ever be, true end to end encryption, when facebook owns the locks and keys.

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                    Actually RCS has encryption in the new spec now, and we could see encrypted RCS messages implemented on iOS and Android within a year.

                    But even so, use Signal.

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                    I think they mean that it'll take time for everyone to get it. My carrier still doesn't even have RCS at all.

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                      Signal is the place for top secret communications, but not for government business (at least not when using a public instance - they could fork the project to keep decryptable records on gov servers where the official gov instance would run).

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                        EVERYONE SHOULD DOWNLOAD SIGNAL for PHONE-NUMBER-based communication, tho. Proper RCS is not here yet (and won't be in a long while), so let's try to mobilize people to Signal.

                        DeltaChat is cooler for non-phone based communications, IMO, and decentralization makes it way sexier and worth this tradeoff.

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                        Isn't DeltaChat just PGP encrypted email? Could be wrong

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                          I can't imagine any messenger is private if you invite random people into a group chat 🤦‍♂️

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                            Considering the US government now owns Meta and thus WhatsApp, it’s an interesting case… why did they use signal?

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                            Disappearing messages

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                            • bushvin@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                              Considering the US government now owns Meta and thus WhatsApp, it’s an interesting case… why did they use signal?

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                              If there is backdoor for them, then there is a backdoor for everybody who knows where to look.

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                                RCS still leaks metadata like a sieve. Encryption, considering the platforms that exist today (Signal and SimpleX), should not be the minimum requirement. Plain-text messaging should not even be possible in modern secure messaging platforms. The platform should be open source and be engineered to mitigate the collection of metadata - like Signal and SimpleX.

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                                Seeing as RCS with encryption based on the MLS standard hasnt been deployed yet, can you show exactly what metadata is leaking?

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                                  I use signal myself but I also use simple X. I can't use delta chat because I use proton for my email and therefore can't use delta.

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                                  Delta Chat is not associated with your email account, as far as I can tell. Am I wrong?

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                                    I can't imagine any messenger is private if you invite random people into a group chat 🤦‍♂️

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                                    Layer 8 security issue

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                                      Delta Chat is not associated with your email account, as far as I can tell. Am I wrong?

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                                      https://delta.chat/en/

                                      ⚡️ Sign up to secure fast chatmail servers or use classic e-mail servers

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                                      • bushvin@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                                        Considering the US government now owns Meta and thus WhatsApp, it’s an interesting case… why did they use signal?

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                                        The government does not "own" Meta. Words have meanings.

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                                          Signal is the place for top secret communications, but not for government business (at least not when using a public instance - they could fork the project to keep decryptable records on gov servers where the official gov instance would run).

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                                          at least not when using a public instance - they could fork the project to keep decryptable records on gov servers where the official gov instance would run

                                          All the people in the chat were high enough that the government for free provided them with secure rooms in their homes so everything would be done through government hardware and encryption programs.

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