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Signal is not the place for top secret communications, but it might be the right choice for you – a cybersecurity expert on what to look for in a secure messaging app

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  • satyrsack@feddit.orgS [email protected]

    Layer 8 security issue

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    error: problem between keyboard and chair

    but nowadays maybe it works better with screen

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      Signal is the place for top secret communications, but not for government business (at least not when using a public instance - they could fork the project to keep decryptable records on gov servers where the official gov instance would run).

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      Out of curiosity, what’s a better app for that use?

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        Here are two reasons you might not want to use Signal: Your contacts, your settings, your entire Signal experience is tied to a Signal account managed by Signal. Metadata—who you’re talking to, when, and how often—can still be collected and analyzed. Question everything.

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          Out of curiosity, what’s a better app for that use?

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          Anything that logs all the communication.

          Govs have their own apps, email servers, various other web-based tools to exchange data, etc. Usually also gov hardware (ie can't use/access such gov apps on non-gov phones).

          It's not "what's better" it's what is mandated/required/the law.

          Much like when you get a regular average job you have to use whatever is permitted - company email is the usual, can't just deal with company data over your private email account where the company has no oversight.

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            EVERYONE SHOULD DOWNLOAD SIGNAL for PHONE-NUMBER-based communication, tho. Proper RCS is not here yet (and won't be in a long while), so let's try to mobilize people to Signal.

            DeltaChat is cooler for non-phone based communications, IMO, and decentralization makes it way sexier and worth this tradeoff.

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            xmpp is like if deltachat was good

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              Signal is great, that's why I'm suspicious that this recent story is to not only target journalism, but also secure app communication. I wouldn't be surprised if it's used as an excuse to remove signal from the app stores.

              Hopefully I'm just being too paranoid.

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              insanely paranoid if you think this will get it removed from app stores good grief

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                insanely paranoid if you think this will get it removed from app stores good grief

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                Talk to Tiktok

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                  Here are two reasons you might not want to use Signal: Your contacts, your settings, your entire Signal experience is tied to a Signal account managed by Signal. Metadata—who you’re talking to, when, and how often—can still be collected and analyzed. Question everything.

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                  So use no messenger? Any decentralized options?

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                    Signal is great, that's why I'm suspicious that this recent story is to not only target journalism, but also secure app communication. I wouldn't be surprised if it's used as an excuse to remove signal from the app stores.

                    Hopefully I'm just being too paranoid.

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                    I don’t think that’s the case, I just think it is old people not know how to use technology.

                    Additionally, all these people in power are using signal, how is that not a loud endorsement that everyone should be on it.

                    Sadly, my contact list remains mostly on WhatsApp and Facebook messenger only.

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                      Here are two reasons you might not want to use Signal: Your contacts, your settings, your entire Signal experience is tied to a Signal account managed by Signal. Metadata—who you’re talking to, when, and how often—can still be collected and analyzed. Question everything.

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                      The issue of centralization can be a problem, but in regards to metadata, sealed sender does a lot to prevent Signal's servers from knowing who messages who, which makes Signal a lot more private than described here.

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                        Here are two reasons you might not want to use Signal: Your contacts, your settings, your entire Signal experience is tied to a Signal account managed by Signal. Metadata—who you’re talking to, when, and how often—can still be collected and analyzed. Question everything.

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                        "The only metadata that Signal would have access to, is the phone number used to register, the date of initial registration, and the date of last use."

                        https://www.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/exd92f/what_kind_of_usermessage_metadata_is_observed_and/

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                          Regarding the trick of an adversary gaining access by emailing or SMS'ing a QR code for adding another device...

                          Why does the new device not demand the PIN before being added?

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                            So use no messenger? Any decentralized options?

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                            SimpleX is decentralized, requires no phone number, based on Signal code. Screws up invitations via FB/Messenger though.

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                              The government does not "own" Meta. Words have meanings.

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                              Lots and lots of meanings.

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                                xmpp is like if deltachat was good

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                                What I dislike about XMPP is that the client ecosystem is definitely weaker than DeltaChat. DeltaChat "just works", and it works incredibly similar and efficient across devices.

                                But yes, I wouldn't mind if the world used XMPP instead, honestly.

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                                  No, it is not.

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                                    Consider Briar.

                                    Uses Tor. Works directly over Bluetooth/WiFi if the internet is censored or shut down. Decentralized, no accounts. No phone number required.

                                    The app is super barebones right now - feels like SMS - but it works.

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                                      I don’t think that’s the case, I just think it is old people not know how to use technology.

                                      Additionally, all these people in power are using signal, how is that not a loud endorsement that everyone should be on it.

                                      Sadly, my contact list remains mostly on WhatsApp and Facebook messenger only.

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                                      Anyone who uses Facebook messenger as their only messenging app will need to text or call me. Fuck that. I do, however, use WhatsApp and discord for work and uni group chats. If or when that's no longer the case, people who only use those will need to text me, too.

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                                        What kind of private communication can we talk about if you must have a valid phone number to use Signal?! Lol

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                                          What kind of private communication can we talk about if you must have a valid phone number to use Signal?! Lol

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                                          Signal recently implemented "usernames" instead of phone numbers

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