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Signal is not the place for top secret communications, but it might be the right choice for you – a cybersecurity expert on what to look for in a secure messaging app

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  • W [email protected]

    Signal is great, that's why I'm suspicious that this recent story is to not only target journalism, but also secure app communication. I wouldn't be surprised if it's used as an excuse to remove signal from the app stores.

    Hopefully I'm just being too paranoid.

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    insanely paranoid if you think this will get it removed from app stores good grief

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      insanely paranoid if you think this will get it removed from app stores good grief

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      Talk to Tiktok

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        Here are two reasons you might not want to use Signal: Your contacts, your settings, your entire Signal experience is tied to a Signal account managed by Signal. Metadata—who you’re talking to, when, and how often—can still be collected and analyzed. Question everything.

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        So use no messenger? Any decentralized options?

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        • W [email protected]

          Signal is great, that's why I'm suspicious that this recent story is to not only target journalism, but also secure app communication. I wouldn't be surprised if it's used as an excuse to remove signal from the app stores.

          Hopefully I'm just being too paranoid.

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          I don’t think that’s the case, I just think it is old people not know how to use technology.

          Additionally, all these people in power are using signal, how is that not a loud endorsement that everyone should be on it.

          Sadly, my contact list remains mostly on WhatsApp and Facebook messenger only.

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            Here are two reasons you might not want to use Signal: Your contacts, your settings, your entire Signal experience is tied to a Signal account managed by Signal. Metadata—who you’re talking to, when, and how often—can still be collected and analyzed. Question everything.

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            The issue of centralization can be a problem, but in regards to metadata, sealed sender does a lot to prevent Signal's servers from knowing who messages who, which makes Signal a lot more private than described here.

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              Here are two reasons you might not want to use Signal: Your contacts, your settings, your entire Signal experience is tied to a Signal account managed by Signal. Metadata—who you’re talking to, when, and how often—can still be collected and analyzed. Question everything.

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              "The only metadata that Signal would have access to, is the phone number used to register, the date of initial registration, and the date of last use."

              https://www.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/exd92f/what_kind_of_usermessage_metadata_is_observed_and/

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              • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]
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                Regarding the trick of an adversary gaining access by emailing or SMS'ing a QR code for adding another device...

                Why does the new device not demand the PIN before being added?

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                  So use no messenger? Any decentralized options?

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                  SimpleX is decentralized, requires no phone number, based on Signal code. Screws up invitations via FB/Messenger though.

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                  • J [email protected]

                    The government does not "own" Meta. Words have meanings.

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                    Lots and lots of meanings.

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                    • breadguy@kbin.earthB [email protected]

                      xmpp is like if deltachat was good

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                      What I dislike about XMPP is that the client ecosystem is definitely weaker than DeltaChat. DeltaChat "just works", and it works incredibly similar and efficient across devices.

                      But yes, I wouldn't mind if the world used XMPP instead, honestly.

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                      • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]
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                        No, it is not.

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                          Consider Briar.

                          Uses Tor. Works directly over Bluetooth/WiFi if the internet is censored or shut down. Decentralized, no accounts. No phone number required.

                          The app is super barebones right now - feels like SMS - but it works.

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                          • N [email protected]

                            I don’t think that’s the case, I just think it is old people not know how to use technology.

                            Additionally, all these people in power are using signal, how is that not a loud endorsement that everyone should be on it.

                            Sadly, my contact list remains mostly on WhatsApp and Facebook messenger only.

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                            Anyone who uses Facebook messenger as their only messenging app will need to text or call me. Fuck that. I do, however, use WhatsApp and discord for work and uni group chats. If or when that's no longer the case, people who only use those will need to text me, too.

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                              What kind of private communication can we talk about if you must have a valid phone number to use Signal?! Lol

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                                What kind of private communication can we talk about if you must have a valid phone number to use Signal?! Lol

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                                Signal recently implemented "usernames" instead of phone numbers

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                                  Consider Briar.

                                  Uses Tor. Works directly over Bluetooth/WiFi if the internet is censored or shut down. Decentralized, no accounts. No phone number required.

                                  The app is super barebones right now - feels like SMS - but it works.

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                                  How does the Bluetooth work? If you're close enough to be I'm bluetooth range with someone aren't you close enough to just speak to them?

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                                    How does the Bluetooth work? If you're close enough to be I'm bluetooth range with someone aren't you close enough to just speak to them?

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                                    One use case could be mass protests, where you have a lot of people congregated in a small area. An increasingly popular strategy among governments these days is to just shut down the entire internet in an agitated region. Bluetooth could keep information flowing as people move in and out of range.

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                                    • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

                                      Signal recently implemented "usernames" instead of phone numbers

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                                      Pretty sure they still store the phone number you sign up with, though - the usernames are just for sharing your contact with other people.

                                      Most peoples' phone numbers are easily linked to their identity. Which means the government knows who's using Signal.

                                      Usernames are definitely an improvement, but there are fundamental limitations in Signal's design.

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                                      • R [email protected]

                                        error: problem between keyboard and chair

                                        but nowadays maybe it works better with screen

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                                        PEBCAK
                                        Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard!

                                        Knew of an IT help desk employee who used this as a resolution in a ticket. Yeah, he got fired as soon as the customer looked up what it meant.

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                                        • K [email protected]

                                          I personally use carrier pigeons with caesar cipher. I know I can't out tech google, so I will go medieval.

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                                          You can do better than Caesar cipher

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