In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip

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Kamala/Biden were already losing before the Palestine conflict started. Palestine did not cause Kamala to lose the election. She could have used Palestine as a signal that she intended to truly strike out in a new direction, but she chose not to do that.

Unfortunately, that kind of radical break from the past was the only hope any Democrat had in 2024. People have this weird view that 2024 is an anomaly. It's not. 2020 was the anomaly. Trump only lost in 2020 because of covid. If not for covid, Trump would have easily won in 2020.

You might as well be blaming Gaza for the Libertarian party not winning. The existing Democratic party is as nonviable at the presidential level as the Libertarian party is. The current Democratic leadership is fundamentally incapable of winning a national presidential election. They literally are not capable of it. They got lucky in 2020 due to a disaster of historic proportions, but in normal times, they are not capable of wielding a candidate that will win a presidential election.

Only radical change and reform in the DNC can change this. And this is ultimately why scapegoating the handful of people who actually stayed home due to Gaza is counterproductive. If you think Kamala lost in 2024 due to Gaza, you're going to be sorely, sorely disappointed in 2028 when another DNC centrist fails to win, even when the Gaza issue is no longer on the table.

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Off course, how convenient for you.

I'm a Socialist btw, but go on with your excuses.

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Okay first of all, a lot more, maybe all Palestinians will be killed under Trump.

Again, completely vague. But while we're at it, how is that different from Dems? Have you been living under a rock? They were actively bombing, shooting, raping, and killing medicals workers in Palestine. So what do you base that "difference" on? The fact Trump said he supported it instead of "only" helping it happen?

Second of all: thanks for demonstrating the lack of intellect and thinking in these type of discussions. I literally said in my first comment that Trump was worse for America. I literally said you could be saying this shit in any thread that isn't about Palestine, and it would make a lot more sense. And yet, here you fucking are, trying to lecture me about how Trump is worse for America, as if I hadn't already fucking said it and my question was specifically about how it affects Palestine. Why are you even arguing with people if you don't even bother to read what they say?

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Exactly. The truth is that the current DNC is utterly incapable of actually winning a presidential election, and they have been incapable of it for more than a decade. 2020 was an anomaly; they won only due to covid. Fixating on Gaza will only ensure that the fundamental mistakes aren't corrected and that Republicans win again in 2028.

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Ok, so there was no difference between them on this genocide.

Guess Trump should have been stopped for other reasons.

Too late now. Enjoy the fascism.

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Yes. Verdant Banana.

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You're one of those "once genocide starts, it can't get worse" people, aren't you?

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How about admitting that the party is culpable and the people who said not to vote for them or people who didn't vote at all are also culpable, because the world isn't black and white and there's plenty of blame to go around?

No?

Black and white world?

Cool.

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Trump is a real estate guy. That's why he wants Canada and Greenland: lots of undeveloped real estate. Never mind that the reason for this is given by being non-developable.

And now Gaza: he actually thinks that he just has to move a few million people somewhere, and turn it into his personal luxury resort.

Do you want another 9/11? That's how you get another 9/11.

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It's equally fascinating how people like you think that only one group can be to blame for an electoral loss and that blame can't be shared.

And if their protest vote changed nothing, what was the point of it?

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What have you actually done about this genocide aside from not making the effort to vote for someone?

Have you made any phone calls? Written any emails? Visited any politicians' offices?

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Mars should be on that list

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Exactly what that they are doing is not a distraction? Because every single time they say or do anything, someone on Lemmy says it's a distraction.

Now even announcing they will invade Gaza is a distraction?

Literally what is not a distraction?

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Now tell me - keeping that state of mind and empathy - **what fucking difference does it make that Kamala "vocally supported an end to the war"?** Can you tell me right now - concretely and materialistically, no vague bullshit - how things were/would be better for Palestinians under the Dems? I've asked this question so many times and have never gotten an answer that wasn't just vague abstract BS like "but Trump said".

This is the easiest lob you could give me. It's because HISTORICALLY it has been easier to get organized and get Dems to change their minds than it will ever be under Trump. His son-in-law Jared Kushner has been openly talking about beach front property in Gaza over the last year and courting land development deals.

If you think Kamala Harris would have gone on the news with Netenyahu and said she was going to use the AMERICAN MILITARY TO TAKE GAZA, you are actually out of your mind. Once again, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S POSITION. I DO NOT THINK THEY ARE DOING RIGHT BY THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. But we were already seeing movement regarding limiting arms and funds to Israel, and Biden's ceasefire. The public backlash was actually gaining momentum into the House. We were seeing congress people speaking out against Netenyahu and the Biden administration getting both internal and external pressure for a pause in arms.

And then, boom, Trump elected.

There is actually no hope for a free Palestine under Trump and a Republican House and Congress. They don't care about optics, they don't care about international relations, they will use all the military and money they have to make sure that Israel becomes the "holy land" they need for their Christofascist rapture.

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I'm one of the "genocide is genocide" people. And you still haven't said how it's actually worse, though. More vague BS avoiding the question.

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If Biden didn’t allow Israel to flatten Gaza we wouldn’t be here.

If Biden didn’t veto ceasefire at the UN multiple times we wouldn’t be here.

If Biden didn’t send the bombs to Israel we wouldn’t be here.

If Biden didn’t lie about the rape and beheadings we wouldn’t be here.

If Biden didn’t provide Israel with the political cover, including proposing sanctions on the ICC, we wouldn’t be here.

I could go on…

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I agree, which should be easy to understand if you've actually been reading my comments instead of having a knee-jerk reaction.
Not American, so thankfully I don't have to (for now). And I did argue with a lot of Trumpists online before the election, but you can only do so much when the other party insists on being a shit stain.

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"Shock", only people getting shocked are the centrist that arent far righters but actually believed in the shit they spread. But as always nobody learns from anything.

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What about calling him Butcher Biden? Or is the Irish MEP also a Russian troll?

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Liberals only pretend to care now that the president is a Republican. You could have stopped Biden at any time since October 2023, instead you mocked the people opposed to the genocide

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In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip