In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip

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You are nuts. The election was in November and you are still shouting at a little minority of potential allies who you can’t even be sure have voted for Trump. Like someone else said: It’s like you’re hoping for things to get worse just to be able to say “I told you so” over and over again.

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Great band! Awesome to see them mentioned.🤩

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I'm not saying they voted for Trump, but they were certainly sowing division against the only candidate likely to defeat him at the polls.

"Not Trump" was NOT a choice on the ballot, and the single, actual candidate with the most votes wins. Any vote not FOR Harris was a tacit vote for Trump. No third party was going to win, and abstaining is effectively saying "BoTh SiDeZ aRE tHe SAmE!".

They had a chance to help stop this and chose to do anything but. Again, fuck them.

Like someone else said: It’s like you’re hoping for things to get worse just to be able to say “I told you so” over and over again.

That person is an idiot (I say this not even reading their comment).

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I am.

Biden's presidency was so similar to the prior one that millions of workers who'd voted previously didn't even see the point in going to the polls.

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Were people saying Biden was too old also sowing division or were they just criticising?

It doesn’t matter. We’re in this shit now. And have to somehow act together to get out of it again.

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It's nice to see that Democrats suddenly care about genocide.

You all were perfectly accepting of it under Genocide Joe, and even nominated him to be your presidential candidate. You're also conveniently just ignoring that the genocide continued until the literal last day of his presidency.

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Trump doesn't speak for his citizens. "Trump" is the one who wants it

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I don't simp for him, fuck that scumbag.
But I think issues are more complicated than that, because for example Democrats actively supported the genocide too, so it's not just 1 bad guy.

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Were people saying Biden was too old also sowing division or were they just criticising?

Yes and no. The people who did nothing but repeat and amplify that? Sowing division (see GiveSomeFucks, Return2Ozma, etc)

The people who made valid points but weren't beating that drum continuously? Legit criticism.

Either way, at the time, it was Biden or Trump, and the same two potential outcomes: Status quo or speedrun to fascism. There really shouldn't have been a dilemma.

It doesn’t matter. We’re in this shit now. And have to somehow act together to get out of it again.

Good luck to them then. I'll definitely be fighting, but I will absolutely not be working with the "oops, I accidentally helped bring fascism by completely failing to acknowledge the bigger picture" crowd - they're on their own

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That is a shock. I expected him to just bomb it to dust and bulldoze it into the sea.

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You sound like one of the idiots my grandfather tried to warn in Germany in the 1920s before he got the fuck out and came to America on forged papers on a Japanese fishing boat

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I don't know, definitely feels like the democrats passively supported, while Trump seems to want to participate.

Can't say the democrats were making the right choice, but Trumps stance is objectively worse.

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We need systems where we vote for policies rather than parties.

Absolutely nothing will be fixed until we do.

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No, the best choice would have been to empower the one party that actually has, albeit often ignored but nevertheless significant, pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist members as part of its membership. And then to focus on improving that party and/or breaking up the duopoly along the natural and clear lines of opportunity present in the sole big tent party that's left in US politics.

At the end of the day, there are no significant pro-Palestinian voices in the Republican party. There are in the Democratic party
And that indisputable fact alone should inform a strategic vote.

That said, people are stupid and I don't really blame non- and 3rd party voters for Democrats losing and the resulting shit show-- blame and culpability falls squarely on the many people who actually specifically voted for this. But it would be nice if those people would try to learn from and admit their incredibly disastrous error in judgement.

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Or you could stop and build a string coalition with an action plan.

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Ah yes the black and white both sides bad argument. You do know it's possible for one side to be worse right? So much worse.

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If you call a cease fire, hostage release, and two state solution as "supported the genocide" then... I guess?

I wouldn't call it that though. You do you I guess.

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Nope. It is dead correct. If you were eligible to vote and you did not vote then you should feel horrible. You should feel attacked. You should feel like everyone hates you. They do. You decided that fascism wasn't important enough to vote against. You decided to go "Well both sides suck" when one side was actively planning genocide and destruction of the United States.

You do not get to have a say. Why? Because you didn't vote. You decided not to use your voice so guess what? You don't get to have one here.

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You're complicit in the result, correct.

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Thank you for conclusively proving you have literally no idea what you're talking about. You are what is wrong with America. You are not educated.

"Genocide Joe" wasn't able to stop sending bombs. When Trump stopped sending military aid to Ukraine he was impeached. Why? Because it is illegal to impeded a congressional approval. It was congress that approved the weapons to Israel. Biden had literally no choice. The most he could do, which he did, was stop the bombs from being sent for longer and longer periods. Put them in areas where they had to be inspected because it was the only thing he could do. Slow it down.

And here you are screaming that he should have stopped sending anything, concretely proving that you have fallen for every scrap of propaganda.

Congratulations.

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In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip