In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip

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No, the best choice would have been to empower the one party that actually has, albeit often ignored but nevertheless significant, pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist members as part of its membership. And then to focus on improving that party and/or breaking up the duopoly along the natural and clear lines of opportunity present in the sole big tent party that's left in US politics.

At the end of the day, there are no significant pro-Palestinian voices in the Republican party. There are in the Democratic party
And that indisputable fact alone should inform a strategic vote.

That said, people are stupid and I don't really blame non- and 3rd party voters for Democrats losing and the resulting shit show-- blame and culpability falls squarely on the many people who actually specifically voted for this. But it would be nice if those people would try to learn from and admit their incredibly disastrous error in judgement.

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Or you could stop and build a string coalition with an action plan.

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Ah yes the black and white both sides bad argument. You do know it's possible for one side to be worse right? So much worse.

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If you call a cease fire, hostage release, and two state solution as "supported the genocide" then... I guess?

I wouldn't call it that though. You do you I guess.

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Nope. It is dead correct. If you were eligible to vote and you did not vote then you should feel horrible. You should feel attacked. You should feel like everyone hates you. They do. You decided that fascism wasn't important enough to vote against. You decided to go "Well both sides suck" when one side was actively planning genocide and destruction of the United States.

You do not get to have a say. Why? Because you didn't vote. You decided not to use your voice so guess what? You don't get to have one here.

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You're complicit in the result, correct.

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Thank you for conclusively proving you have literally no idea what you're talking about. You are what is wrong with America. You are not educated.

"Genocide Joe" wasn't able to stop sending bombs. When Trump stopped sending military aid to Ukraine he was impeached. Why? Because it is illegal to impeded a congressional approval. It was congress that approved the weapons to Israel. Biden had literally no choice. The most he could do, which he did, was stop the bombs from being sent for longer and longer periods. Put them in areas where they had to be inspected because it was the only thing he could do. Slow it down.

And here you are screaming that he should have stopped sending anything, concretely proving that you have fallen for every scrap of propaganda.

Congratulations.

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It might be different elsewhere but I can only speak to what I see on lemmy, and it seems appropriate here. I don’t check out other sites or watch the news enough to notice their talking points, so I can’t speak on that. I do know that I saw similar calls for protest voting in 2016, and they left a strong negative impression on me.

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Yup. It is incredible at how deeply they've fallen for propaganda. Like Joe Biden being the one to send bombs like he personally wrapped the package. No one is blaming Congress, the people who actually approved the transfer of weapons. Nah. They wanna blame the President for not illegally stopping a transfer and opening himself up for impeachment like Trump did.

These people have no understanding of the US political system. They just scream and cry because they saw a few Youtube Shorts or TikToks and think they're suddenly educated. That they can blame the figurehead for everything.

It is insane. Biden was the most progressive President the United States has had in decades and every single fuckwit bought the propaganda that the Right Wing was pushing. Was he perfect? God no. But he was miles better than Obama was but nah. Lets just scream about how awful he is because his hands were tied on Israel/Palestine, a problem that has absolutely no answer that doesn't rip the fabric of someones world.

Children.

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List the ways in which Democrats actively supported genocide. Go ahead.

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Genocide Joe

And you have dismissed yourself from the conversation of adults. Thanks for that.

Y'all keep screaming about how he's Genocide Joe for sending bombs to Israel. It just demonstrates how much Propaganda you've eaten for breakfast. Biden had no choice. Congress approved the weapons transfer. When Trump tried to stop military support to Ukraine, he was impeached. Apparently you didn't bother to pick that up on your quest for screaming into the void.

Try actually educating yourself on how politics works instead of focusing on politically charged TikToks that are just angry about the situation. You haven't learned anything. You've just absorbed propaganda.

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Understandable, it just seems like a wider sentiment based on my limited exposure to this topic.

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Did you do anything to stop the violent ego maniac in the White House? No? Then you've cooperated with him.

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Funny to see them cry over 3rd party that at least showed up and helped dems get seats, instead of the people who didn’t come out to vote because the DNC can’t energise anyone saying the same nothing will change bullshit

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I think you mean if people understood inflation was caused by the pandemic and Trumps monetary policy we wouldn't be here.

The number one factor in the election was the economy. Sadly, regarding Palestine, I think democrats would loss as many votes as they gained by taking a harder stance.

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Biden had as much choice as Trump does now - that is to say, if he or any other Democrat actually didn't want the genocide to continue they could have taken a page from the Republican handbook and bent the government to their purpose. There is, and never was, any will to do that. There is ALWAYS a choice - people like you who keep whining "Oh noooo the Dems had no chooiiiice, they have no blame in thiiiiis ;__;" are a huge part of the reason why things have gotten as bad as they have. Fuck you. (and, before you accuse me of ~nOt DoInG mY pArT~ by voting Blue, I damn well did vote for Harris)

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I wasn't going to accuse you of not doing your part. I was going to accuse you of being uneducated, like everyone else. You are basically saying to beat fascism you need to use fascism and like... nah. Let's not go about that, thanks.

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As if you could tell who is part of that "single issue" crowd when fighting. You're so caught up mad at a very very small minority who protest voted when you should be mad that we were even given such a shit choice in the first place. It's time for action. Not for crying about people who would not have made a difference in the election. Joe had no chance of winning. Kamala maybe could have had one had she differentiated her campaign and wasn't just Joe 2.0

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I don't think you understand. Harris wasn't "exciting" enough, so of course they had to stay home and not vote!

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we were even given such a shit choice in the first place

This is a very important point. The Dems crowned not one, but two weak candidates and refused to change in any way that might have appealed to the voters they lost. The worst part is that they knew Biden's presidency was unpopular and might cost them at the polls but were steadfast in their refusal to change in any meaningful way.

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In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip