In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip

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As if you could tell who is part of that "single issue" crowd when fighting. You're so caught up mad at a very very small minority who protest voted when you should be mad that we were even given such a shit choice in the first place. It's time for action. Not for crying about people who would not have made a difference in the election. Joe had no chance of winning. Kamala maybe could have had one had she differentiated her campaign and wasn't just Joe 2.0

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I don't think you understand. Harris wasn't "exciting" enough, so of course they had to stay home and not vote!

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we were even given such a shit choice in the first place

This is a very important point. The Dems crowned not one, but two weak candidates and refused to change in any way that might have appealed to the voters they lost. The worst part is that they knew Biden's presidency was unpopular and might cost them at the polls but were steadfast in their refusal to change in any meaningful way.

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The contradiction between blaming voting blocs and then blaming rampant patriotism is not even remotely unironic.

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That's a weird way of spelling "the center of the sun" but ok

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And you keep giving me nothing concrete. It doesn't matter what they say if what they do is the same. Gaza was already being stripped of Palestinians. You still have not made it clear how this is actually worse for Palestinians.

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I am actively looking to join one as soon as there is momentum, because I am certainly not the right candidate for leading a political movement, nor do I think I'm a great fit to generate that early momentum.

But no matter what, I don't think the group sentiment should be "give me a perfect candidate, or I'm helping the Nazis" That seems like a foundational issue that needs to be corrected, don't let perfect be the enemy of good. And relatively speaking, the "good" choice was simply not being Nazis.

Adapt to the situation, and as part of the progress maybe we can adopt a better voting system that doesn't force you to make one of 2 choices for high level government positions. But don't delude yourself into thinking there was any other option. Our choices were genocide, or more genocide, and voters that didn't want the genocide candidate ironically helped the more genocide candidate. They should regret that.

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Because it means we haven’t been completely been written off yet, public pressure could improve things.

Public pressure has been around for decades, and the democrats were still supplying them with weapons.

So you’d want the person who controls your fate to at least pretend to have empathy, not the maniac who used ‘Palestinian’ as a slur.

Two people stomp on you. One says "I want the violence to stop", the other calls you a slur. They are both still stomping on you. There is no real difference to the person being stomped.

There was still a Palestine. Now there won’t be. It’s really not that complex. There is a clear difference.

Go look at maps of Palestine over the decades, please. Palestine was already being erased. This is like if we clean up the entire room together but then I let you put the broom away, and now you claim you were the one to clean the entire room. Just because Reps are the ones finishing the job does not mean the Dems were better - we know they were not because we just saw them actively supporting the genocide.

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Something that's really frustrating to me is that it's often deemed "not allowed" to point out that the Democrats (and Biden in particular) are trash fires that are hugely culpable for the situation we're in now (that is, embracing fascism) because people assume that holding Democrats and the DNC responsible is incompatible with "voting blue." I think the "undecided" movement during the primaries was great and probably a big part of why Biden was shuffled off of the ticket; it may have forced the DNC to do the bare minimum in fighting Trump by putting a (more) viable candidate on the ballot. I voted for Harris - unfortunately "Just vote!" didn't work $:\$

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WASHINGTON, Feb 4 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said the U.S. would take over the war-ravaged Gaza Strip and develop it economically

The scope of this statement is a shock, but the motivation that led to it, isn't. That said, I hate everything about this.

I'm not the first to bring this up, but it bears repeating. This is colonialism, plain and simple. That, in turn, is an outcome of unchecked capitalism. Practiced ideologically (i.e. as the guiding light in one's life), it holds up "exploitation at all costs" as a virtue. Second to that is "give your competition no quarter." Combined, that explains the current state of affairs.

We all may be used to thinking of colonialism as some thing that ended on one more more independence days in the last 300 years or so. In reality, the engines of commerce and industry that made that happen kept right on running. Since nation-state-sized real-estate deals like this don't come along very often anymore, these animals are quick to react and pounce before someone else figures out how to exploit the situation.

As an aside: the attitudes and values that enabled things like the US westward expansion, slavery, classism, eradication of indigenous peoples, environmental destruction in the pursuit of minerals, pollution and litter from energy extraction, etc., are still alive and well in the population. Being this kind of evil is insanely profitable under the right conditions, which confers an outsized advantage to reproduction and social influence. Which is to say that it's not the ideology of capitalism that propels these values to stay with us, but rather the other way around. It's as though those colonists with exploitation in their hearts are still very much with us, and that's something to keep an eye on.

Bonus fact: George Washington had a grandson that died in 2019. To put it another way: there was at least one US citizen alive in the 21st century whose grandparents owned slaves. We're really not that far removed from the bad old days - not by a longshot.

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Stop focusing on what was/could have been. Focus on what is/can be. A house divided refers to self before all.

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Hah, that's fair enough. I guess I'm just so frustrated at seeing Republicans repeatedly get their way by acting outside of the law that I want people who actually care about human rights and justice to do the same thing

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The patriotism is what put them in this mess but the voting blocs are what is killing them. The United States had no business being the country that it is. It overextended its reach to an absurd extent. It tried to captiulate to too many people who all wanted to share in the nationlistic nonsense that America pumps out daily. Now the country is fragmented to hell. Too many people feel like that the country doesn't represent them in anyway while also insisting that the United States should be another way. So they rally around two voting blocs that diverge and don't represent really anyone because they're either like the Democrats and spreading themselves too thin while making no one happy or the Republicans who actively ignore what their voters want the second they have power.

The country is schizophrenic.

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you’re still trying to justify why people shouldn’t have voted for Harris

Oh, that's rich, please do tell where I justified people not voting for Kamala. I have said several times in this thread alone that Trump is worse for Americans than Kamala would have been. I'll also add now that it's worse for Europe and Ukraine as well, something I've also said in the past. If you go look through my Lemmy history - go ahead, I dare you to prove I'm lying - I never once told people not to vote for Kamala. You should be ashamed either to lie so boldly, or that a foreigner who speaks English as a second language has a better understanding of it than you.

Not to mention, America isn't isolated. What happens in America affects me too, for better or worse, so I have just as much a right to voice my opinion on American events and politics. If you disagree with that, then I expect you to remain quiet in regard to all other world events. Do you do that?

The news cycle were able to report on everything going on in Gaza

Multiple journalists were killed in Gaza with no consequences. And my news sources still report on Gaza anyway, so I'm not sure what you are referring to. If you're only looking at what is being posted on social media then perhaps you are correct, but I'd argue that is a problem in and of itself.

So many people were willing to donate to Gofundme’s for the people in Gaza to help them cross the border to Jordan/Egypt, or have enough money to at least buy food/shelter/medical treatment and survive until the ceasefire.

This is hands down the best response I've received on this issue, I will acknowledge that, however you talk as if Americans weren't already struggling before, and as if the rest of the world can't still donate and help.

The fact that your idealogical purity stance FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY

Are you Israeli? Are you Palestinian? If not, then why are you not following your own advice? I point back to my second paragraph, in regard to this.

So yeah, Kamala and DonElon…totally the same fucking thing, right?

In regard to Palestine and Israel? Pretty much. Everything else? Obviously not, which is what I've repeated about 200 times fold.

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I refuse to engage with someone who uses the actual plight of the Palestinians as a gotcha against Americans

You can't be fucking serious right now.

This entire thread exists because of asshats like you trying to gotcha other Americans who didn't vote for Kamala. And it's not the first one like that, just the first that caused me to blow my top.

while not even participating in the political systems here.

Focus on your own country, because unless you’re from South Africa, you probably have a non-zero number of politicians who support Israel as well. This is not a fucking spectator sport.

As I said before, what happens in America affects me to, so I'm gonna keep doing it and you can fuck off. If you actually disagree and believe in what you are saying, then I expect never to hear comment on Israel, Ukraine, or Russia ever again, since you do not participate in those political systems.

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Public pressure has been around for decades, and the democrats were still supplying them with weapons.

Not really it hasn't been in the spotlight until Oct7th. That's when real change can happen.

Two people stomp on you. One says “I want the violence to stop”, the other calls you a slur. They are both still stomping on you. There is no real difference to the person being stomped.

Two people stomping at you, one pulls out a knife and says 'lets get this vermin and his family too'. There is a clear difference.

Go look at maps of Palestine over the decades, please. Palestine was already being erased. This is like if we clean up the entire room together but then I let you put the broom away, and now you claim you were the one to clean the entire room. Just because Reps are the ones finishing the job does not mean the Dems were better - we know they were not because we just saw them actively supporting the genocide.

'actively supporting the genocide' isn't the worst thing you can do. What Trump is doing is objectively worse.

Put it this way.

Kamala came out and said: 'Israel has a right to defend itself, and how it does so matters'
If she had instead said 'Let's clean this filth out I'm gonna put a hotel here. All sanctions and blocks are cancelled. Please hurry up I have money to make. We'll provide some troops to help if needd'

Which is worse?

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It would make (some level of) sense in posts about Elon taking over the government and immigrants being sent to Guantanamo Bay, but here?

Go make these comments in a post about Trump censoring scientists or something.

That's just in my original comment on this thread. I think people didn't understand I don't like Trump and think he's worse it's because they didn't want to, and they did not try.

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Do you think maybe if you have to blame everyone else for not understanding you, you're blaming the wrong party?

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The distraction is currently no doubt from the takeing over of certain essential government agencies, hollowing them out, getting rid of anyone critical of the new regime.

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I will say that the Democratic Party is not doing enough. They're fucking confirming positions and going with the flow. The leadership is failing and needs to wake up but there is a lot they can do within the legal system. The Nazis, when they took over, did everything legally at first. People need to push back but there's just... no pushback. AOC is screaming and actually getting stuff done to an extent but so few other people are. The leader of the Dems in the house tweeted basically "Jesus take the wheel" which isn't a GREAT stance.

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In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip