In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip

[tokenboomer@lemmy.world]

I’ve been voting for 40 years, and look where we are. I understand the desire for change, but have to remind myself not to fall victim to electoral fetishism. Real, lasting change, can only come from social movements by the people.

[stamets@lemmy.world]

Yes. This is true. Do you know how you effect those social movements in the government?

By voting.

You cannot argue that you are trying to participate in a social change of government by not engaging in that system of government. It is what is there. If you want to change it, you either need a full on revolution or active social change effected through voting in of various representatives that actually represent you and are willing to change those laws. True, you cannot fall to electoral fetishism, but that doesn't mean to just ignore it entirely.

So. Once again, I am blaming the voters which is an accurate blame to place. Why? Because they are uneducated, hostile, or hateful. They do not engage in the voting system, they engage in spectacle. Whether that be by posting random comments like this Index person who is blatantly a Russian or by throwing a hissy fit but not doing anything.

The reason this cycle keeps continuing is because voters do not educate themselves and vote for their best interests. It is just as simple as that. Straight up. It isn't complex. There isn't some massive conspiracy. People just do not bother.

[slopppyengineer@lemmy.world]

On the road. No time for finding the perfect example. Take that as evidence of absence if you want.

[fatcrab@lemmy.one]

No, it really and very obviously is not.

[jimmy90@lemmy.world]

enjoy trump

[maeve@kbin.earth]

You want us to reflect on how voting for a secret Nazi is... Better than voting for a flamboyant Nazi? How about you reflect on what you can do to either get Democrats to stop forwarding Nazi candidates with Nazi policies OR elect candidates who aren't Nazis?

[tokenboomer@lemmy.world]

I believe you mentioned that propaganda influences people. The same system that educates us, propagandizes us. Why blame those who are miseducated and manipulated? That’s barking up the wrong tree. I get it, I’ve been where you are. It’s frustrating. And it’s difficult to stay focused on the root cause (because of propaganda). Fighting with friends and family, even though you may be right, is fruitless. It’s much better, and more productive, to listen, try to understand where they are misinformed, and try to find common ground. I have influenced many in my life through connecting on an emotional level, and then steering them to constructive conversations of understanding. **They ** want us at each other’s throats.

[merc@sh.itjust.works]

K. That doesn't explain your nonsense about "If you didn't vote then you voted".

[merc@sh.itjust.works]

OP is saying +1 = 0.

[merc@sh.itjust.works]

Is consent the same as voting for something?

[merc@sh.itjust.works]

That's not what OP said. He said not voting is voting.

[merc@sh.itjust.works]

Ok, now explain how not voting is voting.

[mwguy@infosec.pub]

When the Ottomans Ruled the area Gaza was primarily a resort town.

[phr34ky@lemmy.world]

Abstaining affects the outcome as much as voting does.

[harmsy@lemmy.world]

I mostly agree.

Also, I live in the US.

[annoyednh603@lemm.ee]

Is it really a shocker he said this?

[stamets@lemmy.world]

It literally does. Your reading comprehension skills are not my problem.

[stamets@lemmy.world]

Yeah, and quick thing, but how do we go about getting rid of those they again?

Oh yeah....

By being an educated voter.

I can be angry at 'them' all I want. I am. But I can be equally as frustrated with the infinite amount of fools who buy into that propaganda and think nothing more of it. I am not going to remove blame from idiots simply because they were swayed by propaganda from one side. They are still idiots who didn't educate themselves, didn't go further in and entrenched themselves in stupidity. Never thinking for themselves.

I am done with this circular logic of "No, don't blame the people who aren't doing the literal ONE FUCKING THING that they have within their power to do! Blame someone else!" Equally as done with this conversation.

[merc@sh.itjust.works]

As much? Are you sure about that?

[merc@sh.itjust.works]

It's not my reading comprehension that's at issue here, it's your abilities with basic logic.