In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip

[dilroopgill@lemmy.world]

but id rather we invade israel, they shouldn't own the US, should be reversed

[tommysoda@lemmy.world]

I won't deny that it was a stupid move by the dems, but at the same time choosing to abstain from one of the most important elections in US history because you don't want to choose between the lesser of two evils is just naive. Life is literally full of choosing between the lesser of two evils, inside and outside of politics. And I understand that the situation in Gaza is fucked up, but I also know that by abstaining it only made the situation worse. I know its not 100% their fault as there were many factors that led to Trump winning, but I personally don't think betting with other people's lives is altruistic. I think it's selfish.

[gullible@sh.itjust.works]

Given the highly political atmosphere of Lemmy, I have the impression that most users vote hard. Most in the liberal side were vocal about their desire to vote Kamala to prevent *gestures broadly* from happening. However, users from the tankie instances, amounting to a third of lemmy, regularly decried the democrat option, instead urging protest votes or abstention.

The world isn’t lemmy, lemmy is lemmy. And lemmy has plenty people to clown on for actively choosing this.

[grimy@lemmy.world]

In a real life trolley problem, you are supposed to blame the ones driving the train and tying up people to tracks, not the guy pulling the lever.

Yes not voting was stupid, but it's dumber to actually think they hold the blame. The dems won't even acknowledge being pro genocide was a bad move and it's because they feel confident their base has been manipulated to blame a scape goat.

What kind of change are we to expect if we can't even be vocal about something so ridiculous as supporting genocide even after most of us held the line and voted for it anyways. Keep them accountable and stop giving them an easy out.

[ccunning@lemmy.world]

Each day’s better than the next…

[tommysoda@lemmy.world]

I did my taxes the day I got my tax forms because I'm afraid Elon Musk is gonna determine that tax refunds from last year are not "efficient."

My return was only like $300, but imma need all I can get with how things are going.

[grundlbutter@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

America has a FTTP voting system, so time has distilled its presidential election into to 2 real choices. This was one, and the milquetoast status quo party is the other. By that merit, not voting for one party helps the other party, though not as much as voting for the opposite. In our case, the opponent of the milquetoast party is the crypto Nazi party.

I'm not the other person you replied to, but personally I think there was a clear choice between the two candidates in regard to which one was better for the Palestinians given their track records. Granted, maybe not good enough in these voters opinions, given that they enabled a genocide in the first place and refused to swiftly correct that action.

Besides billionaires and straight, white, conservative, "Christian" men, I honestly don't know who benefits from a Trump/Musk presidency as compared to a Harris/Walz presidency.

I get that democrats weren't good enough, they rarely are in my opinion either, but I do consider them better than this. And yep, she and Biden enabled a genocide, no argument there. I even empathize with those that feel adamant that either we have justice all, or justice for none. But I think we are a little frustrated that in the fatalistic protest, Kamala's opponents ensured the doom of not just Palestinians, but women, LGBT+ folk, and likely many more.

But hey, price of eggs and all too, right?

[shawn1122@lemm.ee]

I mean if you're going to dog on minorities then you gotta dog on the white people he has majority support from.

[obinice@lemmy.world]

At this rate I expect their second civil war to have kicked off by April, should be quite an event!

[pennomi@lemmy.world]

You can be vocal about it and still vote for the lesser evil in order to reduce harm and save lives.

[goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org]

Got it. It's all the fault of people, not the inept dnc for this situation.

[drzoidberg@lemmy.world]

Honest question. Are you stupid, or mentally disabled?

[_stranger_@lemmy.world]

Australia is west of New Zealand...

does that make Australia the undying lands?!

[jeebaichow@lemmy.world]

Well, this is involuntary ethnic relocation for the sake of American real estate tycoon wannabes. Not genocide at all. Nosireebob.

[shepherdpie@midwest.social]

"It's a fucking war that's why we need to give them bombs, arms, jets, cash, and our full support. It's our only option"

Look, I get it, and I'd be grieving too if I openly supported such atrocities, and it all turned out to be for nothing, but you're eventually going to find yourself standing alone with the other RadLibs as nobody finds diet-Republican ideals appealing.

[aaron@lemm.ee]

Well, both.

[aaron@lemm.ee]

Just fuck off. This was your choice.

[warl0k3@lemmy.world]

I feel like there's very little chance you intentionally misinterpreted my comment, so in the interest of keeping civil discourse alive: what's happening in Palestine isn't a war, it's a massacre, and I was referring to the nascent civil war and fascist takeover of the US.

[goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org]

Seems to most in this thread dnc is faultless though

[aaron@lemm.ee]

Vote hard? The 'liberal' side was worried about gestures broadly at what's actually happening in reality right this very moment. Lemmy isn't an island, it's a megaphone.