Obsidian is now free for work - Obsidian
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It's interesting that a closed-source app has good reputation among FOSS enthusiasts. Surely they are not a Microsoft or Apple, but still who controls your computer, you or them?
least paranoid foss nut
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This post was how I learned about Obsidian.
For those of you that love it, how do you use it daily?
here's a bunch of possible applications:
- simple note taking. like notepad except you have your notes at a place where you can search through them and even link one from another.
- second brain. you can watch a video about it but basically to organize your thoughts, record things you learn, make connections between things to have a digital brain you can search or browse through.
- work or school. notes, to do lists, reminders, links to sources, etc all in one place with references via links
- journal. pretty straightforward, but you can imagine things you could do if you could link from your journal entry to a website, or another entry, or something from your movie collection.
- database. eg maybe you have a movie collection and want to document all the details, including which ones you watched, which ones you liked, and what you think about them. you can have a file for each movie but also files for directors, actors, etc that you can link to and from, in which you have info on those, including images, tags for easy search.
so you watched a movie and wonder what other movies you own have the same starring actor: search movie, click link to the star page, check backlinks.
obviously not the best use case because imdb exists but this is personal and could be extrapolated to any collection you have, maybe even all of them. why not have the movie adaptation link to the original book?
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you can think about it like: imagine if you could make a bunch of wiki pages. the formatting isn't quite as nice but essentially that's what you're doing. a bunch of pages with text, images, links and tags, that you can browse through. what would you use it for?
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The git plugin commits automatically. All configurable. I've set it up on both PC and Android once at the beginning and I didn't have to think about it ever again.
Oooh, I will be setting this up tonight! Thanks!
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You don't need a public repo to be FOSS. You don't need to accept changes. All you need is to provide a copy of the source code upon request. You can even automate that with a link to a tarball or something in the app.
My concern is less about privacy and more about security and longevity (i.e. what happens if they turn evil?). If it's FOSS, I can audit the source and fork it if they go in a direction I don't like. If it's proprietary, I'm SOL if they turn evil or stop development. Projects like these tend to die.
I don't really see any negatives here. The chance that someone makes a more popular fork is incredibly low, and the chance that someone audits it and points out a bug is a lot higher. They can retain control of the name, sell the software, etc. I really don't see how providing source code is a downside.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree then. Which is fine.
Your points are valid and thank you for detailing them for me. If I was in their shoes making others able to steal my IP, even if they're not allowed due to licensing and having to deal with constant scrutiny of the source code are k.o.-criteria, which hinder the project and lead to potential revenue loss.
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I just cant wrap my head around why they're willing to go so far to gain good will from people by having such a generous free tier, but somehow licensing the code under a FOSS license is out of the question??
Why not just go all the way and make sure everyone who cares about reading the souce could also give you free contributions?
Yep and the Android app is full of small things to improve, for sure someone would put in contributions for free
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It stores your data in plaintext, and simply uses the program to parse special formatting characters. There are no attempts at obfuscation or encryption, and it doesn’t lock you into a walled garden that refuses to play nice with other programs. The program itself is closed-source, but anyone could write an open source version to parse the same info… There just hasn’t been a good reason to do so. Even if Obsidian as a company and program ceases to exist overnight, your data is still safe on your machine and can be read by anyone who cares enough to dig into the file. Hell, you can even open it as the plaintext file and dig through it manually.
True. The other day I uploaded a photo that should be portrait instead of landscape. I opened Nemo ( Linux file explorer), right clicked to edit image, fixed it, and automatically my note picked up the change.
Similar thing when storing a 1000 line json in the notes
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There in fact are FOSS alternatives like Joplin. Personally, I actually switched from Joplin to Obsidian due to a larger community (and therefore community-driven plugins) and overall a more polished UX. That being said, I have the security of switching back if Obsidian ever becomes evil or unusable.
Another aspect is that the entire source code is technically viewable (partially obfuscated) since it's a web app. Having written plugins for Obsidian, you're very much interacting with the source code itself. Feels like open source with extra steps and I wish one day they will finally make the switch to true FOSS.
That's not so true of the Android app. I do have access to bytecode but changing bytecode to bring feature enhancements is not for the faint of heart.
And storage in their current android app is a major privacy breach.
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Yeah, works nice as long as you have a server to host it on.
The only annoyance is that it's not very space efficient and you have to rebuild your database like twice a year to bring the size back down. It might be not that bad depending on what you do. I create above thousand new lines of notes with a lot of pictures every day and I'm at around 2GB after rebuilding the database. I expect it to go up to like 6GB biyearly, but, again, clicking on the rebuild button deals with that.
You don't need a server, I use drop box. You can also do Amazon S3 which is more involved but not as hard as a server. And 5 more options.
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I guess we just have to agree to disagree then. Which is fine.
Your points are valid and thank you for detailing them for me. If I was in their shoes making others able to steal my IP, even if they're not allowed due to licensing and having to deal with constant scrutiny of the source code are k.o.-criteria, which hinder the project and lead to potential revenue loss.
And it's totally fair to run your project however you choose. My point is just that FOSS doesn't automatically mean you can't make money, tons of businesses are built on a FOSS-first basis. Pick the model that works for your business, and I sincerely hope you find a way to make FOSS part of it.
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This post was how I learned about Obsidian.
For those of you that love it, how do you use it daily?
I fucking LOVE obsidian, one of my most used pieces of software.
I have two note vaults.
One is my personal "everything" not vault, Anything I might need to write down goes there. No random sticky notes, or half used notebooks for me. Game notes, such as what equipment I'm looking for, or solutions to puzzles I'll forget before I can use the information. More practically useful notes like conversion charts to use imperial measurements in blender and godot. Names of people I need to remember and what their handles are on social media, because most platforms don't help you with that. Everything can be interconnected, so some notes are just indexes of other notes.
More impressive is my lore wiki. There is a book series that I will never write, and these notes document the setting. Characters, events, locations, other authors who have helped over the years. Anything that is a proper noun or is otherwise special to the setting is a link to a note of that name.
Obsidian also has "graph view" which visually organizes notes so that things that are connected are physically closer together. I just wish I could give these notes icons on the graph view so that they'd be more visually distinct.
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And it's totally fair to run your project however you choose. My point is just that FOSS doesn't automatically mean you can't make money, tons of businesses are built on a FOSS-first basis. Pick the model that works for your business, and I sincerely hope you find a way to make FOSS part of it.
As I've said. Nextcloud is a great example of FOSS working out for a business, haha.
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You don't need a server, I use drop box. You can also do Amazon S3 which is more involved but not as hard as a server. And 5 more options.
Ale we talking about the same thing?
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That's not so true of the Android app. I do have access to bytecode but changing bytecode to bring feature enhancements is not for the faint of heart.
And storage in their current android app is a major privacy breach.
You're right, I wasn't thinking about the android app when writing this.
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It doesn't matter if it's a "far more organised approach", logseq simply doesn't fit many types of workflows for note taking.
logseq is a zettelkasten program; Obsidian is a text editor
Embrace zettelkasten as your note taking workflow. It’s more organized
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It's like trillium, but not open source
Here is an enthusiastic person talking about the state of the art of one year ago for 20 minute.
https://youtu.be/XRpHIa-2XCEWhat is a Trillium?
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Ale we talking about the same thing?
Probably not, I'm talking about the plugin I use. Remotely save, I think it's called.
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This post was how I learned about Obsidian.
For those of you that love it, how do you use it daily?
Daily journal
Task list / project management
Note taking
Mind mapping
Resource archiveI've got my vault automated pretty well at this point. I honestly don't know what I would do without it.
For those of you that are wondering, everything is markdown independent, all of my plugins address UI or vault automation processes that leave all of my information entirely portable.
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Use obsidian enough and your brain also just starts to interpret raw markdown lmfao.
I've definitely caught myself using md to format pen and paper notes before.
That's the whole point of markdown lmfao.
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It stores your data in plaintext, and simply uses the program to parse special formatting characters. There are no attempts at obfuscation or encryption, and it doesn’t lock you into a walled garden that refuses to play nice with other programs. The program itself is closed-source, but anyone could write an open source version to parse the same info… There just hasn’t been a good reason to do so. Even if Obsidian as a company and program ceases to exist overnight, your data is still safe on your machine and can be read by anyone who cares enough to dig into the file. Hell, you can even open it as the plaintext file and dig through it manually.
Hol up. Are notes stored in files in a directory structure or a single file? Just that you said "the file" so I'm wondering.
If so, that's lock in.
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I just don't see the point of obsidian et al.
Just use a directory structure and save markdown files in it.
There are many apps that are great editors for this structure on every platform. IDK exactly what obsidian does but many editors have zettelkasten (fancy cross links) functionality, just no fancy graph.
Ghostty + helix is the sexxy RN.
