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What Pseudoscience do you Believe?

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    I think that currently society is too polar about this issue. A lot of so-called pseudoscience have a lot of anecdotal evidence that should be taken into consideration and don't have a lot of science to deny them. On the other hand a lot of them do have that so there is an issue where there's a lot of people who believe a lot of different pseudosciences because some of them genuinely seem to have results but the people who go explicitly by scientific research sometimes can group all of these together. For example, homeopathy is obviously bullshit, and there is a ton of scientific research that shows that. But, for example, a lot of Chinese medicine, which has no scientific backing, does seem to have a lot of anecdotal and historical evidence that suggests that if science does look into it, they might find some actual results.

    I don't know what lunar effect is, but the description you gave sounds very plausible. Like, why wouldn't a full moon affect the behavior of humans and other animals? How it affects them? To what degree? Sure, that's debatable. But generally affecting them, that sounds reasonable. It's a significant change in the night. It lights up the night more and It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that some animals might use it as time management indicators that might relate to biological cycles.

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    Right. There's a mix in lots of ideas, of interpreting real evidence and experience, and of making up rubbish to sell things. And just of building too big of a theory off minimal data and putting too much trust in it.

    So, moonlight being a major factor to change your behaviour to evil or crazy, is presumably nonsense. But, as you say, moonlit nights affecting human behaviour, such as having social events on a moonlit night, or even working later in the fields those nights, is obvious.

    And the phase of the moon causing programming bugs? Absolutely real. There's one or two documented cases.

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      How else would you explain the Lunar effect?

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      Made up by lunatics.

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        Not sure either of these counts fully as what OP is looking for, but -

        The idea of the technological singularity feels right to me. There's a whole section on the wikipedia page about scientific objections to it, and I get that, but if we don't kill ourselves before then, it seems like an event that almost has to occur at some point, to me. And maybe it zigs instead of zags and we get star trek. Or maybe it zags and we get terminator. But probably neither of those I'm guessing, and these days it's hard to imagine that it would put humanity on a worse trajectory than we seem to be on today.

        Similarly, but less seriously (for me) I like to consider the whole "maybe we're in a simulation" theory.

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        Yeah I kinda adhere to the simulation thing too. As a videogames programmer, every time I try to learn about quantum mechanics I learn about some new quirk that really makes it sound like some game engine limitation

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          Modern geocentrism

          kinda. It's more that "center" of the universe can be picked completely arbitrarily. I can say I'm the center of the universe, and when I spin on my chair, the universe revolves around me. You can define the frame of reference however you wish to. The change of perspective does not change how orbits work.

          Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

          by that short definition sure, but probably not how they mean. If you're active at night, the amount of ambient light is surely going to impact your behavior. Not so much in areas with artificial lighting.

          Memetics.

          Insofar as there are self-replicating ideas, and the ones more likely to self-replicate become more prevalent...sure. Not the whole story either, as ideas can also be pushed by people that don't believe those ideas.

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          "center" of the universe can be picked completely arbitrarily.

          IIRC there are still theories within the scientific community of the universe being non-homogenous and roughly geocentric. Usually (when I've come across them) presumed to be incorrect, but still possible in a, "huh, that would explain the data that we can't otherwise explain" way.

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            Cryptozoology. There are definitely creatures unknown to science. Dozens of new ones are discovered every day. Loch Ness monster - no. Unknown ape - possibly.

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            I still like the thought that the Loch Ness monster was real, but died out. That legends grew from the real thing, and occasional real sightings, then popularized with more recent faked evidence.

            Of course that doesn't mean it probably was real, just it might have been.

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            • capriciousday@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

              Maybe like a limited Gaia hypothesis. The whole planet is a conscious thing, we are its braincells and its hands.

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              In that theory we'd more be the cancer-cells rather than braincells 😏

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                According to Feng Shui, cacti are not suitable as home plants. Ergo Feng Shui is evil.

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                I mean, if you brush against their spikes every time you walk into the living room, you'd decry them as unsuitable too!

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                • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                  Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

                  Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

                  Ley Lines

                  Accupressure/puncture

                  Ayurveda

                  Body Memory

                  Faith healing

                  Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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                  That wiki article is very biased.

                  It also has problems distinguishing pseudo medicine (proven not to work) from alternative medicine (not conclusively proved or disproved).

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                    Memetics is not really pseudoscience. It was science, there there were compelling evidence and arguemtns that ideas have no agency on their own, contrary to genes, and the whole field died for good.

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                    Genes don't have agency either.

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                      Yeah I kinda adhere to the simulation thing too. As a videogames programmer, every time I try to learn about quantum mechanics I learn about some new quirk that really makes it sound like some game engine limitation

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                      when I like to gain perspective and imagine how useless we are on this meaningless little planet in a massive galaxy universe etc I just imagine the lonely little Boltzmann brain that's actually just imagining the whole thing for a few nanoseconds before it returns back to quantum foam

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                      • capriciousday@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                        Maybe like a limited Gaia hypothesis. The whole planet is a conscious thing, we are its braincells and its hands.

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                        why not go full panpsychic it actually makes even more sense and has been seriously studied for millenia

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                          That wiki article is very biased.

                          It also has problems distinguishing pseudo medicine (proven not to work) from alternative medicine (not conclusively proved or disproved).

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                          Once something works, we call it medicine. There's no such thing as "alternative medicine".

                          Even if it's weird, or comes from popular knowledge, or disrupts the profits of a pharmaceutical company - if it's proven to work, it's medicine.

                          Modern doctors are using fish skin to combat burns, maggots against necrosis, electroshock therapy for depression.

                          The things that need the "alternative" qualifier before the word "medicine" are the ones that do nothing but extract your money.

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                            Genes don't have agency either.

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                            While genetic agency is often appropriated by reactionary politics, it's a quite established scientific perspective.

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                            • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                              Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

                              Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

                              Ley Lines

                              Accupressure/puncture

                              Ayurveda

                              Body Memory

                              Faith healing

                              Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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                              • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                                Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

                                Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

                                Ley Lines

                                Accupressure/puncture

                                Ayurveda

                                Body Memory

                                Faith healing

                                Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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                                I really want to believe the Assassin's Creed concept that our DNA holds memories from our ancestors.

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                                  I really want to believe the Assassin's Creed concept that our DNA holds memories from our ancestors.

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                                  Epigenetics. But that's not as cool as whatever Assassin's Creed is.

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                                    While genetic agency is often appropriated by reactionary politics, it's a quite established scientific perspective.

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                                    Does a grain of sand have agency? Does it want to be caught by a specific size of classification sieve?

                                    Because that's exactly the level of agency that drives natural selection.

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                                      Yeah I kinda adhere to the simulation thing too. As a videogames programmer, every time I try to learn about quantum mechanics I learn about some new quirk that really makes it sound like some game engine limitation

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                                      I thought you were going to say

                                      As a videogames programmer, it is natural to me to consider myself as a character in some video game.

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                                        I kind of a little bit believe that dreams have some weird predictive ability. The scientist in me knows it's likely a mix of confirmation bias and information synthesis, but like... my family has a pretty strong history of dreaming about deaths and births a week or two prior to pregnancy announcements and deaths. My mom has had several dreams where a loved one has come and chatted with her in a dream and said goodbye, then later that day we learn they passed, for example. It's happened enough that I have a lot of trouble brushing it off.

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                                        i have that too, a lot. not just when people die though. it is quite different than just a random hallucination, because i get the feeling that an organized intelligence is actually having a plan and giving me specific information.

                                        like, sometimes, i will have a dream that conveys something important to me, and then i will deliberately wake up in the middle of that dream in a way that makes me remember what i dreamed about, so i can write it down.

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                                        • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                                          Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

                                          Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

                                          Ley Lines

                                          Accupressure/puncture

                                          Ayurveda

                                          Body Memory

                                          Faith healing

                                          Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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                                          Uff, i have a lot:

                                          Life on earth is a huge organized organism. It created intelligent humans deliberately sothat we can spread life to other planets. Plants could not do that otherwise.

                                          All life is sentient. Sentience doesn't come from the brain, rather it comes from the hormones in your bloodstream. When we sweat, these hormones enter the air (apparently within the fraction of a second) and other people can smell them. That is how we can instinctually know how others are feeling.

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