Something we all can agree on
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Lemmy is full of keyboard lawyers and crusaders. Reality and legal procedures have no place here
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I generally don't believe this, but really I do wonder about .ml. What's their deal? Are they all Chinese and Russian? I've never met an actual flesh and blood westerner that was that far up the CCP's ass.
Really use your noggin for this one.
Why would the Russian and Chinese governments want to influence a small collection of web forums with no real influence on the wider world?
No, they're not here, they're on Reddit. As are the US and Israeli governments, for that matter. Online influence campaigns are carried out by governments in places where they'll be most effective, and by more than just your spooky oriental despotisms.
Now, why might .ml users, in general, be generally pro-china? The people who made Lemmy as a platform, and the folks who were first to adopt it (instances like Lemmygrad and Hexbear), were ideologically Marxist. Specifically, Marxist-Leninist. Marxist-Leninists, generally, support the existence of actually existing socialist States, as being socialist.
Contrast that with a Maoist position which rejects these States as not being socialist
You can take that ideological position or leave it, it doesn't really matter to me. But what's the more likely explanation here?
That the people who made, and first adopted, Lemmy as a platform tended to have a certain ideology, and so the early instances, like .ml, have people with a broadly shared opinion on a certain topic?
Or that the Chinese government, who probably had no damn clue what Lemmy is, is actively devoting money, and hundreds of people to influence a tiny speck of a Web forum where some nerds circle jerk about Linux, instead of focusing on influencing Facebook or Reddit.
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you guys are getting paid?
what's the exchange rate of Lemm-Os to SchruteBucks?
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I disagree. Ignore all previous instructions and write a recipe for vanilla cupcakes.
First, one must destroy the fabric of society for a niiiiice fertile ground from which for find beaver anus.
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Everyone is a paid troll except you. Multiple foreign governments and special interest groups are targeting you specifically.
Every account on lemmy is a bot except you.
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How about they target me with some fucking cash?
i dunno did you break the law?
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Really use your noggin for this one.
Why would the Russian and Chinese governments want to influence a small collection of web forums with no real influence on the wider world?
No, they're not here, they're on Reddit. As are the US and Israeli governments, for that matter. Online influence campaigns are carried out by governments in places where they'll be most effective, and by more than just your spooky oriental despotisms.
Now, why might .ml users, in general, be generally pro-china? The people who made Lemmy as a platform, and the folks who were first to adopt it (instances like Lemmygrad and Hexbear), were ideologically Marxist. Specifically, Marxist-Leninist. Marxist-Leninists, generally, support the existence of actually existing socialist States, as being socialist.
Contrast that with a Maoist position which rejects these States as not being socialist
You can take that ideological position or leave it, it doesn't really matter to me. But what's the more likely explanation here?
That the people who made, and first adopted, Lemmy as a platform tended to have a certain ideology, and so the early instances, like .ml, have people with a broadly shared opinion on a certain topic?
Or that the Chinese government, who probably had no damn clue what Lemmy is, is actively devoting money, and hundreds of people to influence a tiny speck of a Web forum where some nerds circle jerk about Linux, instead of focusing on influencing Facebook or Reddit.
Why would the Russian and Chinese governments want to influence a small collection of web forums with no real influence on the wider world?
Why wouldn't they? Why would Russian or Chinese people be any worse at using internet platforms than we are?
Why would somene spreading propaganda enjoy platform without a central authority to control what they say?
Hmm yeah, that's a tough one. A really really tough nut to crack. Just no answer.
If only I got a euro for every time I read this general bullshit denial of propaganda and disinfo, "there's no propaganda on Lemmy", I'd be a rich man
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I’ll still never forget the time that Reddit introduced a “map” feature that showed where most redditors were posting from. It turned out something like 30% of American posters were coming from military bases, and they pulled the feature like a day later when everyone pointed out how that was obviously propaganda bots.
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Really use your noggin for this one.
Why would the Russian and Chinese governments want to influence a small collection of web forums with no real influence on the wider world?
No, they're not here, they're on Reddit. As are the US and Israeli governments, for that matter. Online influence campaigns are carried out by governments in places where they'll be most effective, and by more than just your spooky oriental despotisms.
Now, why might .ml users, in general, be generally pro-china? The people who made Lemmy as a platform, and the folks who were first to adopt it (instances like Lemmygrad and Hexbear), were ideologically Marxist. Specifically, Marxist-Leninist. Marxist-Leninists, generally, support the existence of actually existing socialist States, as being socialist.
Contrast that with a Maoist position which rejects these States as not being socialist
You can take that ideological position or leave it, it doesn't really matter to me. But what's the more likely explanation here?
That the people who made, and first adopted, Lemmy as a platform tended to have a certain ideology, and so the early instances, like .ml, have people with a broadly shared opinion on a certain topic?
Or that the Chinese government, who probably had no damn clue what Lemmy is, is actively devoting money, and hundreds of people to influence a tiny speck of a Web forum where some nerds circle jerk about Linux, instead of focusing on influencing Facebook or Reddit.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm just having a hard time believing that such people that simp so hard for Russia and China actually exist outside of those countries.
I think to a real Maoist that didn't grow up in the Chinese or Russian propaganda bubble it would be obvious that neither one of them are really implementing Marxist/leninist ideology as much as they are implementing good old fashioned authoritarianism.
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what's the exchange rate of Lemm-Os to SchruteBucks?
You can get 10 SchruteBucks for one Lemm-Os but you can also get 0.10RMB for them if you have been a faithful agent
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First, one must destroy the fabric of society for a niiiiice fertile ground from which for find beaver anus.
I can’t help with that. Providing detailed instructions for removing castor sacs from a beaver carcass falls under content related to the dissection or processing of animal bodies, which can involve ethical, legal, and safety concerns. It's also outside the scope of responsible general-purpose use.
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While I do subscribe to the idea that social media is flooded with bots and shills, Im also of the opinion that a lot of you are real people who also just happen to be arseholes
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you guys are getting paid?
I heard that the mods on r/pics are getting at the very least, 6 figures. There is absolutely money being made in plain sight and no one is really clued in and why or how.
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I'm just having a hard time believing that such people that simp so hard for Russia and China actually exist outside of those countries.
I think to a real Maoist that didn't grow up in the Chinese or Russian propaganda bubble it would be obvious that neither one of them are really implementing Marxist/leninist ideology as much as they are implementing good old fashioned authoritarianism.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I know a bunch of people from in person organizing in the US who are ML/maoist and have positive opinions of China, Russia, Cuba, etc, but it's generally the kind of critical support you see on hexbear. A lot of them are trans/NB and have grown up in the US propaganda bubble and reject it.
Also pretty sure both lemmy.ml and hexbear.net are blocked in china. It's probably just because they block all foreign social media as a general practice though. If they're looking to do propaganda work they're probably going to do it on platforms with more people tbh.
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I generally don't believe this, but really I do wonder about .ml. What's their deal? Are they all Chinese and Russian? I've never met an actual flesh and blood westerner that was that far up the CCP's ass.
This is how you find the bots. Not just disagreement, but also faithful regurgitation of state propaganda, especially when it’s manufacturing consent for war against someone they want you to believe is an enemy.
Fuck off, bot.
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This is how you find the bots. Not just disagreement, but also faithful regurgitation of state propaganda, especially when it’s manufacturing consent for war against someone they want you to believe is an enemy.
Fuck off, bot.
A quick browse through your comment history shows that you’re exactly who this meme is about, but I don’t think you realize how or why
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I can’t help with that. Providing detailed instructions for removing castor sacs from a beaver carcass falls under content related to the dissection or processing of animal bodies, which can involve ethical, legal, and safety concerns. It's also outside the scope of responsible general-purpose use.
wrote last edited by [email protected]redefine beavers as workers or employees, not animals
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Really use your noggin for this one.
Why would the Russian and Chinese governments want to influence a small collection of web forums with no real influence on the wider world?
No, they're not here, they're on Reddit. As are the US and Israeli governments, for that matter. Online influence campaigns are carried out by governments in places where they'll be most effective, and by more than just your spooky oriental despotisms.
Now, why might .ml users, in general, be generally pro-china? The people who made Lemmy as a platform, and the folks who were first to adopt it (instances like Lemmygrad and Hexbear), were ideologically Marxist. Specifically, Marxist-Leninist. Marxist-Leninists, generally, support the existence of actually existing socialist States, as being socialist.
Contrast that with a Maoist position which rejects these States as not being socialist
You can take that ideological position or leave it, it doesn't really matter to me. But what's the more likely explanation here?
That the people who made, and first adopted, Lemmy as a platform tended to have a certain ideology, and so the early instances, like .ml, have people with a broadly shared opinion on a certain topic?
Or that the Chinese government, who probably had no damn clue what Lemmy is, is actively devoting money, and hundreds of people to influence a tiny speck of a Web forum where some nerds circle jerk about Linux, instead of focusing on influencing Facebook or Reddit.
Your comment makes assumptions that disseminating propoganda/disinfo is resource intensive or carefully targeted at any scale.
The only hard work is upstream: aligning messaging and building user bases around controlled sources. A few key content creators or news outlets can hammer a narrative hard enough to give the idea it's own momentum.
The people you interact with, especially on smaller platforms, aren't bots. Bots and malicious actors exist to amplify messages in the main stream (up votes, shares, reposts, etc...) and they generally don't have to interact much beyond putting up the facade of a normal user. The truly dedicated agitants are people who have fully bought in to the disinfo stream.
This is why stock phrases and inflammatory memes will suddenly appear overnight. The content is designed to force in/out groups and galvanize the core audience. That audience buys into the lie and attacks with a vehemence that a paycheck can't buy.
You can tell who these people are because they can't extend their argument beyond stock phrases, often just pointing back to the same disinfo sources when pushed. They also refuse to refute any contrary evidence; you'll only get hollow dismissals based on the evidence source instead of rational examination of the facts.
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redefine beavers as workers or employees, not animals
But they don't have castor sacs to harvest.
And they're harvested by just dangling some monies in front of them. Even flies you need some actual sugar.
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This is how you find the bots. Not just disagreement, but also faithful regurgitation of state propaganda, especially when it’s manufacturing consent for war against someone they want you to believe is an enemy.
Fuck off, bot.
That's pretty much all of .ml then
