Netanyahu Gifts Trump Golden Pager to Commemorate Attack That Killed Children: 'That Was a Great Operation'

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Did you vote for Kamala? Or did you allow trump to get elected? Guess what, your hands are stained with innocent blood either way.

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I was not complicit in getting either of them elected. My hands are clean, and so is my conscience.

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You had a choice to make, either vote for one of them, assuming you're American and can vote, or be complicit with whomever was elected. You can trick yourself into believing you had no impact on the outcome, but assume what I said earlier was true, you either helped trump get elected, and therefore have blood on your hands, or you voted against trump, and have blood on your hands, but less blood.

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this is an interesting stance. not a US citizen, but i live in a country where voting is mandatory. i assume you didnt vote?

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The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.

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There are not just two candidates in the US, although the establishment would prefer everyone to believe that.

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Hence why I said you had blood on your hands no matter what. This is where harm mitigation comes in, by not voting, you agree to whoever is elected, in this case trump who wants to further ethnic cleansing. This was the last election in the US as we know it. And trump isn't a "tiny bit worse".

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This is such a strange take, but a popular one among Americans it seems. There are many more elements to why Trump is president, structural incentives especially money in politics and the specific democratic process that involves the Electoral College, districts etc. I'm not American yet even I know about these... don't you guys? It's sad because it seems like you guys are fucked, and have no idea what you did wrong. The burgler is in the house and you all are trying to wrestle down a potted plant.

It's also absurd because the US markets itself as the world leader of democracy, but Democratic voters are saying, "Why didn't you vote with the Party? You shouldn't have exercised democracy!"

I know you don't speak for all Americans, but maybe you can shed some light on this.

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right but FPTP kinda ensures third party is negligible until it becomes the 'second party' right?

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Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.

I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.

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Unfortunately.

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Believe it or not the Democrats had machinations themselves that they had been working on a long time, and was very nasty. Rumor had it, Kamala would have no problem finalizing those plans, which is why she was ushered in without a primary and Joe was forced out. BOTH PARTIES HAVE GOT TO GO. The democrats enabled this level of power abuse because they wanted the power themselves, nothing was codified into law because they thought they would have the power. They are just as guilty of these current administrations actions because they themselves refuse to limit the powers and reach of branches of the government, they only ever extend them... And they did it because they had plans for that power, but you don't need to believe that, the evidence they allowed the power to exist is elected and likely xitting on truth right now, that's all you really need to believe, Democrats enabled this.

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Do you think maybe there are multiple reasons why Trump is president and one of them could possibly be because far more people sat out the election than could have swung it against him?

Also, you shouldn't vote with the party. You should vote against the fascist. I have no idea why that is confusing to you unless you vote for fascists.

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Voting for the only viable candidate that wasn't an overt fascist is empowering fascists. The democrats aren't solely to blame those who allowed a fascist dictator to come into power share the blame

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Not voting for candidate = voting for them.

Solid logic.

Telling people how they have to vote.

Also, solid logic.

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Thank you, yes when it comes to a fascist dictator vs a non fascist, non dictator, not voting for the non fascist non dictator is the only viable option, unless you're OK with a fascist dictator.

Pretty fucking clear.

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For the benefit of other countries dealing with their own rightwing dickhead movements, what we did wrong was slow-roll prosecuting them for blatant crimes.

Biden should have announced prosecutions into far right agitators during his inauguration speech. It shouldn't have just been the useful rubes from 1/6 that faced consequences. The people and organizations that backed that coup, who fanned the flames and incited violence should have been in cuffs in less than a month, including Trump. From jail, he can't tweet, he can't truth social. He can still write to newspapers, and have interviews, and have his lawyer make statements, but all those options have an extra layer of accountability, which would have put a lid on his rampant race-baiting and fear mongering.

I know some of you are going to be worried about appearing partisan. The truth is, bipartisanship is a weapon of the far right. When they are in power, they ride roughshod over everything and everyone, with absolute glee when they can foist terrible policies on the other side. When they call for bipartisan compromise, they are saying "hey! You need to accommodate the views of our bigots and 1% base! Won't you think of them!?" and we should have told them to fuck off.

People need to vote, and they need to vote effectively. If you've got ranked choice, great, vote for the candidates that represent your views the best. If you have a first past the post system, then you need to vote for the least worst candidate that can actually win, even if they don't align with your morals or ethics. I know it sucks to do it, but you have to consider risk versus reward when making your decision. Taking a big risk on our rights and lives to make a small statement about historical support to a historical ally in a conflict practically as old as history itself, is a really fucking stupid thing to do. There was practically nothing to gain and everything to lose.

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Even if the genocide ended tomorrow, I'm just never buying Israeli electronics again. I've been boycotting Sony all this time for a mere rootkit.

If you haven't already, you should boycott people who booby-trap their products.

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"Not voting for the only viable candidate". So between two shit candidates, we should vote for the one who smells the least like shit. Nope. That's not how democracy works. Everyone should vote for the candidate that bests represents them. I didn't say that democrats are solely to blame. I said partly.

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Trump does something abhorrent.

Writes paragraph explaining why it's the Democrats fault.

The conservative propoganda machine has really done a number on some of y'all.

Like you couldn't even stop to acknowledge what happened you were so eager to make Trump's actions all about the Dems.

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Netanyahu Gifts Trump Golden Pager to Commemorate Attack That Killed Children: 'That Was a Great Operation'