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What do you think is the biggest issue with Lemmy?

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  • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

    Not just Lemmy, but all Fediverse frontends: it's confusing and cumbersome. I've been here for 2 years and I still find that it's very much lacking in the "user experience" department. I have add-ons and scripts to 'patch' things that ought not to need patching. I don't know if it's possible for this to happen given the nature of Fedi, but it should be the case that a new user would find it works more or less the same as non-Fedi software and not have to juggle instances and type hideous and long URLs into the search bar. Instance names and stuff like that should be available to people who want to see them, but by default there's little reason to frighten new users with it. Make it be under-the-hood type stuff. One follow button that works for your home instance regardless of where you are on the Fediverse would be a nice start.

    Also, privacy needs to be handled better. Again, not sure if that's possible because of the nature of Fedi, but Lemmy should make users feel more secure than reddit or Twitter, not less. Like, it's bizarre that reddit protects my privacy more than Lemmy does, given that reddit doesn't really protect my privacy much at all.

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    Instance names and stuff like that should be available to people who want to see them, but by default there’s little reason to frighten new users with it.

    https://piefed.social/ hides the instance name of communities in the feed

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    • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

      Not just Lemmy, but all Fediverse frontends: it's confusing and cumbersome. I've been here for 2 years and I still find that it's very much lacking in the "user experience" department. I have add-ons and scripts to 'patch' things that ought not to need patching. I don't know if it's possible for this to happen given the nature of Fedi, but it should be the case that a new user would find it works more or less the same as non-Fedi software and not have to juggle instances and type hideous and long URLs into the search bar. Instance names and stuff like that should be available to people who want to see them, but by default there's little reason to frighten new users with it. Make it be under-the-hood type stuff. One follow button that works for your home instance regardless of where you are on the Fediverse would be a nice start.

      Also, privacy needs to be handled better. Again, not sure if that's possible because of the nature of Fedi, but Lemmy should make users feel more secure than reddit or Twitter, not less. Like, it's bizarre that reddit protects my privacy more than Lemmy does, given that reddit doesn't really protect my privacy much at all.

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      Arguably, lemmy is going to be more private than reddit because your data are being queried, refined, quantified and categorised by reddit to be sold off to the highest bidder. If a different actor is just scraping activitypub they need to do all of that themselves.

      More generally, I'm not sure if we should ever think about something posted online as being private. You can post form data that is secured to your bank or whatever but they are analysing all of that data on their side. Similarly the large email providers are aware of the contents of all your emails.

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        well tbf they are the two most active servers there though. not sure why .world isnt on there though. maybe removed temporarily so that newbies filter out to smaller instances

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        IIRC it is intentional that world isn't there to help spread out users to other instances.

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        • soleinvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

          Exactly. I have a 1.5 hour daily time limit on Voyager, my Lemmy client, and I hit it every day, no problem. I do miss some of the niche subs but, every time I go back to ask a quick question, so many people are just so goddamned mean that I'm still very happy I left.

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          Oh yeah the community is 1000% better and healthier, I don't miss Reddit at all. Plus I'm a child of the 70s, I grew up with limited content. It's good for you.

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            As everyone has pointed out, people and content. Its good in some ways since not every post is drowned out with one thousand replies nobody will ever see, but at the same time, you're not getting much of anything at all sometimes. Not even very niche ones either. Even groups that represent entire states has limited info or replies still. If it can grow to that size and see some more unique and local content more I think even that would be a much better place for it to be.

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            Yeah this is my issue with it. I can find all the arts, Linux, and political stuff just fine. Sports, music, and places communities are seriously lacking. They exist, but are a shell of what you'd hope they'd be. Engagement is so low, it's not worth bothering. The sports and music communities being so small and sparse is a real bummer.

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              I may not understand how all this works but the very first page is mostly stuff that is 24 hours old or older. Maybe I am sorting it wrong or something but looking for the latest news is not easy. There should be a way from things that are older than 24 hours to fall off the front page. Also something like reddit enhancement suite would be nice.

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                As everyone has pointed out, people and content. Its good in some ways since not every post is drowned out with one thousand replies nobody will ever see, but at the same time, you're not getting much of anything at all sometimes. Not even very niche ones either. Even groups that represent entire states has limited info or replies still. If it can grow to that size and see some more unique and local content more I think even that would be a much better place for it to be.

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                Yeah the North Carolina community has 383 subscribers and the last post was 9 days ago.

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                • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                  I'm the main poster on [email protected]. Most popular post on the planet.

                  I guess people on Lemmy just don't like sports.

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                  I'll subscribe, since it's about the real kind of football (the one that's played with your feet, and a ball. Not an egg, and your hands)

                  I've been trying to get into sports. Always enjoyed parricipating sports, never tried watching.

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                    This is exactly why I don't use Reddit on the side. When I run out of content on Lemmy, there's no choice but to do something productive instead. Had to go 100% cold turkey on Reddit to make that work though.

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                    Summer was not meant for being productive.

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                      I may not understand how all this works but the very first page is mostly stuff that is 24 hours old or older. Maybe I am sorting it wrong or something but looking for the latest news is not easy. There should be a way from things that are older than 24 hours to fall off the front page. Also something like reddit enhancement suite would be nice.

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                      You can switch to "Top of 6h", "Top of 12h", or "New comments"

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                        I'll subscribe, since it's about the real kind of football (the one that's played with your feet, and a ball. Not an egg, and your hands)

                        I've been trying to get into sports. Always enjoyed parricipating sports, never tried watching.

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                        Welcome!

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                          Duplicated fragmentation

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                            It's a reply to your comment about downotes. The point of votes is to rank threads, and the point of ranking threads is to promote cogent comments and avoid irrelevance, misinformation, and malice. I do this in real life and I do it here.

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                            And I'd say this is your convenient retrofitting of an optimistic rational theory onto what is in fact almost always much simpler and more brutish: "I had a negative response to this because it contradicts my beliefs and gave me cognitive dissonance", regardless of its objective merits. You must know this. Anyway, we'll agree to disagree.

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                              You're definitely projecting your own opinion of the matter here. You're not debating anything by simply repeatedly denying their view and restating your opinion.

                              Now please, if you want to actually discuss it, respond to their points about how many sorting schemes do not factor in votes. Respond to anything except the parts you simply want to deny.

                              You're clearly getting engagement despite being downvoted, so this very discussion is proving your opinion ignorant and rather dogmatic.

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                              I'm getting downvotes because people don't like being told they're behaving obnoxiously. That's all. I didn't downvote you or anyone else. I respect all of your opinions.

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                                one of us... one of us... one of us

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                                No and you can see from my comment history that once .ee shuts down I'm gone. This place is just idiotville and I don't consider myself one of you.

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                                  I don’t consider anything I’ve heard so far to be the kind of evidence that would indicate what I said is somehow false.

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                                  Obstinance should not be confused with confidance.

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                                    No and you can see from my comment history that once .ee shuts down I'm gone. This place is just idiotville and I don't consider myself one of you.

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                                    don't let the door hit you on the way out

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                                      I'm getting downvotes because people don't like being told they're behaving obnoxiously. That's all. I didn't downvote you or anyone else. I respect all of your opinions.

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                                      No, you're getting downvoted because you're only responding to the parts of posts that you want to completely deny instead of engaging with other details.

                                      Now, either continue to prove my point that you're either bad faith or immature to the point of lacking self awareness, or respond to the other points made like how several ways to sort don't even factor in votes like the default "active" or new comments, etc, or how some people actively seek out the controversial posts.

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                                        The negatives of a social site combined with the negatives of an unpopular social site.

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                                          No, you're getting downvoted because you're only responding to the parts of posts that you want to completely deny instead of engaging with other details.

                                          Now, either continue to prove my point that you're either bad faith or immature to the point of lacking self awareness, or respond to the other points made like how several ways to sort don't even factor in votes like the default "active" or new comments, etc, or how some people actively seek out the controversial posts.

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                                          Yes yes, I take the point about the sorting-algo choices and karma absence and so on. I acknowledged it in another comment.

                                          My fundamental point (which you are ignoring) concerns the motivations and incentives for downvoting. My contention is that downvoting thoughtful and well-expressed opinions is always (always) toxic and unhealthy. Others don't see it that way. So be it.

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