What do you think is the biggest issue with Lemmy?
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Speaking of bad faith..
Yes, and just like Trump, I'm not speaking of the white nationalists and nazies.
"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Thank god you can point to ONE SINGLE instance where Trump isn't actively supporting white nationalist christofascism.
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Since karma isn’t tracked, I don’t think it’s a real big deal having a negative score comment. But since there are people who care anyways I think the downvote does exist, it can suppress people posting certain points of view lest you anger the tankie triad
Since karma isn’t tracked, I don’t think it’s a real big deal having a negative score comment.
I agree this is an important counter-argument. My other points stand.
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I never downvote opinions and I do not engage with people who downvote mine
Yeah. Sometimes I can't resist. Sorry.
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“The right” consists of individuals, just like “the left” does - and there’s plenty of bad faith to be found on both sides.
wrote last edited by [email protected]“The right” consists of individuals,
Every last one of them who voted for trump has decided that bigotry (of multiple sorts) and steamrolling our constitution in the name of authoritarianism are somewhere between just what they wanted and not a dealbreaker.
What else do I need to know about them?
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Number of users. Takes a lot of users to keep all the small niche communities alive.
Political skew. You don't benefit from being in an echo chamber. It will also drive away people you don't agree with politically but do enjoy the same niche hobbies. Not sure about you but I'm much more interested in my hobbies than politics.
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Since karma isn’t tracked, I don’t think it’s a real big deal having a negative score comment. But since there are people who care anyways I think the downvote does exist, it can suppress people posting certain points of view lest you anger the tankie triad
wrote last edited by [email protected]Since karma isn’t tracked
Technically it is. All votes are tracked and karma is just all the votes you got, tallied up.
It's just that, by default, lemmy doesn't sum them up and display them. But the information is there and could be shown with 3rd party apps.
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“The right” consists of individuals,
Every last one of them who voted for trump has decided that bigotry (of multiple sorts) and steamrolling our constitution in the name of authoritarianism are somewhere between just what they wanted and not a dealbreaker.
What else do I need to know about them?
What else do I need to know about them?
That people identify on the political right outside of US as well?
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What else do I need to know about them?
That people identify on the political right outside of US as well?
Heh, I'm sure they are much better people than US conservatives, but I'll quote myself from elsehwere.
The conservatives who “can’t” post to Lemmy are the ones who don’t know how to have an actual conversation and get banned. What fraction of conservatives that represents is an excercise left to the reader. But I’ve got my own opinion on that number for sure.
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The people on Lemmy are mostly weird obsessive leftists who have little interest in talking about anything else and disagree with each other for having nearly identical views in the grand scheme of things. I still like Lemmy but it can get tiring talking about anything especially if you mention something that people have decided is evil like AI.
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Not enough people.
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People here are way bigger smug assholes than even Reddit.
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Sense of invulnerability and mod neglegence just because Lemmy is defederated. People naively think that makes it invulnerable to similar issues as Reddit (like toxicity/hivemind/bad modding.)
Back in 2023 I joined Lemmy because Reddit got rid of 3rd party apps. At first I was extremely impressed with the content here. While the community was small, meme channels were hilarious and had fantastic content. Same with the nsfw communities. However, now all the communities are filled with AI slop, political ragebait posting, onlyfans subsciption bait posts, and various other trash. So as far as I'm concerned Lemmy seems to be circling the drain. I can't in good faith tell anyone I know to switch to Lemmy. If a friend were to ask me "hey man, how's Lemmy?" My honest answer would be that it kinda fucking sucks.
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Uh huh, and I'm sure we can take him at his word. It's not like he's ever lied. He never gave a nod to nazis ever, like telling the proud boys to stand by. Yup, good old not racist donnie, I'm sure he totally hates white supremacists.
You wanna talk bad faith, believe anything that comes out of his orange piehole.
Misrepresenting what someone says is a textbook example of bad faith so doing that in a discussion about bad faith is ironic to say the least. What he actually thinks is unrelated to this discussion as it's about what he said. You'd call people out for twisting your words so hold yourself to the same standards.
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Heh, I'm sure they are much better people than US conservatives, but I'll quote myself from elsehwere.
The conservatives who “can’t” post to Lemmy are the ones who don’t know how to have an actual conversation and get banned. What fraction of conservatives that represents is an excercise left to the reader. But I’ve got my own opinion on that number for sure.
Maybe you should re-read my original comment? Because unless you think that Lemmy is not a left wing echo chamber then I have no clue what you're arguing about here exactly.
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The downvote button. It's a hobby horse of mine. Slashdot got it right: if you're going to tell someone to shut up, there should be a small price to pay.
PS: to the inevitable downvoters. Let's be clear that you are not just saying "I disagree". You are helping to hide my comment; you're literally telling me to shut up. Would you do that in person, without so much as lifting a finger to justify yourself ? Of course you wouldn't. In person you would have manners. This is the problem I have with the downvote button. It incites people to behave like uncivilized infants.
On the contrary, in real life I remove myself from conversations where people have nothing worthwhile to say every day. Half my job is judging when that's the case so I can prioritize the interactions where people are ready to be cogent and concise.
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Not enough people for even slightly niche communities. Wanna talk about smash brothers ? 732 people, only 2 posts in the last month.
This is why people still use reddit on the side.
This is exactly why I don't use Reddit on the side. When I run out of content on Lemmy, there's no choice but to do something productive instead. Had to go 100% cold turkey on Reddit to make that work though.
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On the contrary, in real life I remove myself from conversations where people have nothing worthwhile to say every day. Half my job is judging when that's the case so I can prioritize the interactions where people are ready to be cogent and concise.
This seems to be a reply to another comment.
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Trying to be a Reddit clone.
Reddit was shit to begin with. It was a dumbed down forum site for people who found sites like Plastic or Kuro5hin too intimidating or complicated(!).
Slashdot-style upvoting would instantly solve a lot of "Reddit"-type problems, because instead of just good/bad, or like/dislike, the reason for the vote is noted, such as "insightful", "funny", etc., and you can then filter and sort comments much easier. Just filtering out "funny" comments saved soooooooo much time.
Another thing: Why don't creators of threads have the option to admin their own threads? It's their thread! It wouldn't be appropriate for discussion threads (for obvious reasons), but for interpersonal posts and questions, it makes perfect sense for the creator to be able to have control over what appears in the thread to keep it on topic and the trolls at bay. It's pretty rare to see a post where someone asks a question that doesn't quickly devolve into an offtopic mess, and the creator is usually attacked for trying to bring it back on topic. This has made Reddit useless for question-answering (and besides, the most upvoted answer is almost always wrong.)
Is the purpose of these forums to enable authentic conversation, or just to farm content regardless of quality (to be sold to AI companies, presumably)?
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But the dearth of genuine political discussion here is a problem for the people who do want it
It's not genuine if we don't want to constantly have to expose ourselves to toxic bigots or "smooth" manipulators who think it's not really toxic bigotry if they are "just asking questions?"
It's not genuine if we don't want to start every single discussion of something bad Trump did with rebutting a half dozen versions of "but whatabout that time when dems..."?
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
I will not be shamed into allowing toxicity into my life, on social media or otherwise, in the name of "avoiding an echo chamber." NOTHING is stopping a conservative from coming here and making cogent, factual arguments, aside from their own fragility.
The conservatives who "can't" post to Lemmy are the ones who don't know how to have an actual conversation and get banned. What fraction of conservatives that represents is an excercise left to the reader. But I've got my own opinion on that number for sure.
The fact that you characterise natural ways of engaging in a discussion negatively doesn't mean it's not genuine, and it doesn't mean you're forced to look at it if it's available.
NOTHING is stopping a conservative from coming here and making cogent, factual arguments, aside from their own fragility.
The structure of vote-based social media makes it difficult, and the people who, rather than remove themselves from places where arguments happen, shout down the people having the arguments, stops this from happening.
You'd be right to point out that conservative-majority spaces are just as, if not more guilty of this, but that doesn't make it less true.
The conservatives who “can’t” post to Lemmy are the ones who don’t know how to have an actual conversation and get banned.
That's true but it's not the only thing that's going on.
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Maybe you should re-read my original comment? Because unless you think that Lemmy is not a left wing echo chamber then I have no clue what you're arguing about here exactly.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Maybe I misread you. I think I'm being told not only that it is an echo chamber, but that I'm supposed to be bothered by it.
Meanwhile I haven't seen an argument for what we'd gain by having more conservatives here, or what's stopping those unicorn conservatives who aren't raging assholes from posting.
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Lemmy was architected by people whose philosophical intentions are out of alignment with the software they cloned.
That system was designed to invite as many idiots as possible, to bait as much engagement as possible, with virtually no controls on quality or intelligence.
Well congratulations Lemmy, you've made the next Reddit. There's no reason to be here, it's just a pile of morons for the most part.
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The same issue Bluesky and other app-killer platforms have/had at the start: momentum. Momentum explains everything else. If you leave out the vapid content on Reddit, it's still the premier place for asking questions and getting them answered by enthusiastic amateurs or actual experts in the field. The moment Lemmy gets the same quality tech support and DIY responses, it will have its place. Or, like with Bluesky, Reddit needs to become as alienating and disgusting as X became after the Elon takeover.
Reddit is useless for questions. If you're a subject-matter expert in something, find the subreddit for it and prepare to be horrified.
