DeepSeek collects keystroke data and more, storing it in Chinese servers

[frozenspinach@lemmy.ml]

but it’s a foreign actor so OOooooOOWwwwooOOOO sCaRrRey!

I love that people think this is a solid own. Lest we forget Hong Kong, or an impending hot war in Taiwan or building out extradition systems with an expanding network of countries to forcibly repatriate and torture dissidents and human rights lawyers.

You used to not have to explain why authoritarianism was bad. But now it's extremely low effort whataboutisms or (sets my watch) dogpiles of downvotes detached from arguments or explanations.

[frozenspinach@lemmy.ml]

Realistically what is the worst thing China is doing with your private data?

Probably mapping out the extended support networks of people in Taiwan to prepare to throw them in jail after a forcible military takeover of the island.

[frozenspinach@lemmy.ml]

Nothing alleged about it. The main app wraps your prompt in a China-friendly one

I asked it about whether the takeover of Hong Kong was met with international criticism. First I saw a answer saying yes, and affirming the nature of those criticisms.

A few minutes later the answer I already saw was replaced with "sorry, that's outside of my scope." I think with the flood of new traffic to Deepseek, they are scaling up reviews of chat content.

[frozenspinach@lemmy.ml]

at this point, I think people have mined the prompt itself?

Would be interested in any additional info on this. Curious what the prompt was.

[boredtortoise@lemm.ee]

This is interesting. It looks like the USA is turning into China, but the hate of that there's a turning makes China look more appealing?

[sunzu2@thebrainbin.org]

Pathetic

[sunzu2@thebrainbin.org]

Yeah I scan logs and so far nothing... I still don't trust them but I can't tell shit either

[jol@discuss.tchncs.de]

I'm not American so they are indeed a foreign actor.

[foni@lemm.ee]

It used to not be necessary because democracies used to have moral authority but since the revelations of Manning and Snowden non-Americans see no difference between giving our data to the USA or to China or any other. We also know from the reaction to the war in Ukraine and Gaza that human rights claims are only sometimes used.

[viri4thus@feddit.org]

Let the FUD begin!

[ulrich@feddit.org]

The CCP is significantly more oppressive, gives zero shits about human rights or trademarks or really anyone at all. The US at least pretends to care.

[imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Run it locally then

[subverb@lemmy.world]

If you think the American companies do anything different you're not paying attention and simply believing the propaganda.

[uberstar@lemmy.ml]

detective conan sure had a hard time cracking the case!

"The personal information we collect from you may be stored on a server located outside of the country where you live. We store the information we collect in secure servers located in the People's Republic of China," the privacy policy reads.

Oh the horror! Let's look at what our glorious spawns-of-techbro heroism has for us in store:

ChatGPT:

::: spoiler spoiler

OpenAI processes your Personal Data for the purposes described in this Privacy Policy on servers located in various jurisdictions, including processing and storing your Personal Data in our facilities and servers in the United States. While data protection law varies by country, we apply the protections described in this policy to your Personal Data regardless of where it is processed, and only transfer that data pursuant to legally valid transfer mechanisms.
:::

Claude:

::: spoiler spoiler

When you access our website or Services, your personal data may be transferred to our servers in the US, or to other countries outside the European Economic Area (“EEA”) and the UK. This may be a direct provision of your personal data to us, or a transfer that we or a third party make.
:::

So not only is your data "possibly" stored in one country, now there's a possibility of it being stored in many different countries. Where's the outcry for that?

Ok, so maybe your data being under the jurisdiction of another country is sus, right?

In another section about how DeepSeek shares user data, the company states that it may share user information to "comply with applicable law, legal process, or government requests."

OH MY GOD SOUND THE ALARM!

ChatGPT:

::: spoiler spoiler

We may use Personal Data for the following purposes: [...] To comply with legal obligations and to protect the rights, privacy, safety, or property of our users, OpenAI, or third parties.
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Claude:
::: spoiler spoiler

Pursuant to regulatory or legal requirements, safety, rights of others, and to enforce our rights or our terms. We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law, including for legal, tax or accounting purposes, in response to their requests for such information or to assist in investigations. We may also disclose personal data to third parties in connection with claims, disputes or litigation, when otherwise permitted or required by law, or if we determine its disclosure is necessary to protect the health and safety of you or any other person, to protect against fraud or credit risk, to enforce our legal rights or the legal rights of others, to enforce contractual commitments that you have made, or as otherwise permitted or required by applicable law.
:::

So not only can your data be subject to the authorities, but it's also handed out to 3rd parties (mind you, DeepSeek does the exact same, so why is it any surprise?).

Not only does DeepSeek collect "text or audio input, prompt, uploaded files, feedback, chat history, or other content that [the user] provide[s] to our model and Services," ...

... You get the idea now, bother yourself with the privacy policies of the respective contemporaries and CTRL + F to "User Content" or "User Input".. Same fucking shit.

Companies with AI models like Google, Meta, and OpenAI collect similar troves of information, but their privacy policies do not mention collecting keystrokes.

Yes, collecting keystrokes is probably the oddest thing here. To compare data farming giants with a decade and a half's worth of data collection to a startup in terms of data collection is so astronomically dumb.

I could go on but I'm bored now. Do your own research.

[mat@jlai.lu]

Same as Chrome's magic bar, or android keyboard no ? So in the end, does USA doing it good because "democracy" (never ever with napalm) when China is bad because human rights violation (USA never did anything like this) ?

[sir_kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Bro you can stop that narrative. The truth is out now.

[deadcatbounce@reddthat.com]

No.

As opposed to Microsoft, Google, .. NSA, or GCHQ servers. Or all of the above.

[ulrich@feddit.org]

...which truth came out? They don't have CCP officials required by law to work at tech companies and disclose any and all data they acquire? They're not using Uyghur slaves in their factories? They're not trying to literally erase Taiwan off the maps? They're not still censoring information about their horrific pasts? They're not targeting, retaliating against and kidnapping protestors domestic and abroad? They're not censoring virtually every US social website entirely from the entire country? Please bring me up to speed.

[jackattack@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Not quite on topic but semi related... It's reasons like this that I started reading privacy policies many times before signing up for a service.

People would be surprised at some of the extremely concerning things are listed in there. Some is for good reason but some stuff is absolutely unnecessary and should be an issue for some people.

[sir_kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

This is amazing!