What features are missing from piefed, or, why aren't we reccommending piefed instead of lemmy?
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Even so, .world will eventually enable parallel sending, and even in the meantime aussie.zone only boasts 375 MAUs. I don't know that such a miniscule minority is worth bending over backwards for and creating further fragmentation.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for choosing instances other than .world when setting up new comms. They're too big. But while we're still at a point where content amount is the primary concern and we're trying to achieve critical mass I also don't know if endless fragmentation is well advised.
.world will eventually enable parallel sending
But when? I don't want to openly ask LW admins because the 0.19.9 migration took them a while, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen any time soon. I've seen someone mentioning that they might be delaying it due to resources issues, but their resource usage is not going to go down any time soon.
aussie.zone
It is not only aussie.zone. Reddthat is also hosted in Australia, and then had to add a proxy in Europe to prevent a similar delay: https://reddthat.com/post/37387576/17377718. Lemmy.nz is in a similar case.
Lemmy.blahaj.zone is also Australian IIRC, but not sure where the server is hosted. Reddthat is only 429 MAU, but Blahaj is 1171
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Thats literally what I said.
Alright, then I misread your comment
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.world will eventually enable parallel sending
But when? I don't want to openly ask LW admins because the 0.19.9 migration took them a while, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen any time soon. I've seen someone mentioning that they might be delaying it due to resources issues, but their resource usage is not going to go down any time soon.
aussie.zone
It is not only aussie.zone. Reddthat is also hosted in Australia, and then had to add a proxy in Europe to prevent a similar delay: https://reddthat.com/post/37387576/17377718. Lemmy.nz is in a similar case.
Lemmy.blahaj.zone is also Australian IIRC, but not sure where the server is hosted. Reddthat is only 429 MAU, but Blahaj is 1171
LW are hesitant to do major changes because if something goes wrong it disrupts the entire Lemmy ecosystem. It's a direct negative consequence of them growing too big, but once they're in this position I can understand their reservations. I too wish they'd implement upgrades faster but I have no reason to believe they will just refuse to implement an upgrade forever, that's unreasonable to assume.
Lemmy.nz is what, about 100 MAU? And I know a Blåhaj admin is Australian but Fedi Observer has the server listed as based in Finland and hosted in Germany. Don't know if that's wrong though. Are their users also reporting delays?
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The default UI is terrible for mobile.
I'm definitely in the minority, but I prefer the Web UI on mobile to apps
I also like the default UI, even if it's not the prettiest. But for mindless scrolling I prefer Voyager.
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This comment was not supposed to be a huge critique of Lemmy, more like a comparison.
Everybody is aware that you do what you can with the resources you have.
Fair enough, its just a bit strange that this particular critique comes up regularly.
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Will there be a release with that feature before Lemmy 1.0, or will it be delivered with Lemmy 1.0?
It could be backported, but there are now significant changes between the 0.19 and development branches, so it would take some work.
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Fair enough, its just a bit strange that this particular critique comes up regularly.
I just gave it a try, this is what the moderation panel looks like on Piefed:
Maybe this makes it more clear
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Lmao, spot on! Thanks!
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I meant as a user.
Thanks, I'm a ding dong anyway.
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Piefed is another federated social aggregator https://piefed.social/ akin to Lemmy.
I know, I read it wrong. Because I'm a ding dong.
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People are talking about Piefed not Pixelfed
I know, I read it wrong
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I run a Pixelfed instance. The code is faaaaaaaarrrrr from polished. Its buggy and the admin interface either doesn't work or is poorly implemented. I'd rather run and moderate Lemmy than Pixelfed. I have considered just shutting it down several times. I run the instance https://social.photo/.
It doesn't really surprise me that pixelfed is buggy ngl. It is still polished to the end user.
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Apps make or break those platforms. Lemmy apps are way better than even anything Mastodon has. We got really lucky that Lemmy exploded in popularity due to Reddit API changes which meant many app developers gave Lemmy a shot. I probably wouldn’t use Lemmy so much if Voyager didn’t fill the hole Apollo left in my heart.
If it can get apps, ill probably be more on it.
I love you lemmy.world but I would rather like to run my own piefed.
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We won't 100% know the answer to that until we get there. But in 2025 fear of a lack of CPU cores is NOT what keeps me awake at night.
Early performance results are positive. Check these links out:
https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/13/technical-performance-of-each-fediverse-platform/
https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/09/comparing-network-utilization-of-lemmy-kbin-and-piefed/
There are many many ways to ruin web app performance and choice of backend language is not really a big one. It's what you do with it that counts.
https://piefed.social is running on a low end VPS which costs $7.50 per month. Load average is about 1.45 during the busiest part of the day. Most of the load is caused by federating with lemmy.world and that won't increase as more users come on board.
PieFed is already really efficient with storage. After 16 months of operation, subscribed to every popular community, the piefed.social DB is 30 GB and the media storage is 28 GB. A Lemmy instance would be 10x that.
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Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.
Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?
App support is one thing I can think of.
Do we have to recommand it? Do to the nature of the threadiverse, Lemmy content is available on PieFed and PieFed content is available on Lemmy.
It is mostly a matter of chosing an instance. We could surely add an PieFed recommendation to our go to threadiverse instance but is there instance culture there yet?Shouldn't we recommand it first to active user, the ones that create and animate communities, the ones that would create new feeds making those instances more alive?
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Do we have to recommand it? Do to the nature of the threadiverse, Lemmy content is available on PieFed and PieFed content is available on Lemmy.
It is mostly a matter of chosing an instance. We could surely add an PieFed recommendation to our go to threadiverse instance but is there instance culture there yet?Shouldn't we recommand it first to active user, the ones that create and animate communities, the ones that would create new feeds making those instances more alive?
@pseudo @Irelephant
Yes we do have to recommend PieFed. While PieFed is already incredible for what it is able to do, there are some missing key features. So we also need to be honnest about PieFed.
It is a new software so we need to invite more people to give a try. Once they try, sysadmin may give a go after listening to their user feedback.
Most active user won't create a community outside their main instance. Do you picture myself using Piefed.social for c/pisourd ? I would lose the benefit of my french speaking local timeline.
And yes, all content are federated but the way community are managed is different. I can show you the inside of tarte.nuage-libre.fr or [email protected]
Don't you want to give a try ? In exchange i will do a promotion on jlai.lu on any software you want to boost. That one will be the next "tour d'horizon"
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You may not be from the US, but in the US smartphone market, as of late 2024, iOS (Apple) holds a larger market share than Android, with iOS at around 58% and Android at 42%.
I'm the developer of Interstellar, and I am actually from the US. iOS support is something I'd like to add, but is not the priority. @[email protected] made many good points about it not catering towards FOSS projects, but I'd also like to add, it costs $100 every single year in order to have an Apple developer account, which is required if you want to publish anything to the Apple App Store. Additionally, Apple's very expensive hardware is required in order to build and release any Apple software, which I do not own.
All that to say, I'd like to support iOS and macOS platforms, but Apple makes it extremely difficult (and costly) for that to happen. Why should I have to pay $100 every year in order to publish a free app that I'm not even making any money off of?
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I'm the developer of Interstellar, and I am actually from the US. iOS support is something I'd like to add, but is not the priority. @[email protected] made many good points about it not catering towards FOSS projects, but I'd also like to add, it costs $100 every single year in order to have an Apple developer account, which is required if you want to publish anything to the Apple App Store. Additionally, Apple's very expensive hardware is required in order to build and release any Apple software, which I do not own.
All that to say, I'd like to support iOS and macOS platforms, but Apple makes it extremely difficult (and costly) for that to happen. Why should I have to pay $100 every year in order to publish a free app that I'm not even making any money off of?
Man, that all makes perfect sense, and I appreciate the reply. Thanks for laying out the challenges for a small dev to develop for iOS.
I actually like the look of Mbin and Piefed, but like I said, I use Voyager to surf Lemmy a lot of the time, and Voyager doesn't support Mbin/Piefed. I'd be willing to try and maybe switch to a different app, but there's currently no iOS app for either. I'm not above using a PWA, but the Piefed instance I signed up to doesn't even offer an actual PWA, but just a bookmark that opens Piefed in a Safari tab.
So, to bring it back to the original question, that's the reasons that Piefed is a no-go for me.
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@pseudo @Irelephant
Yes we do have to recommend PieFed. While PieFed is already incredible for what it is able to do, there are some missing key features. So we also need to be honnest about PieFed.
It is a new software so we need to invite more people to give a try. Once they try, sysadmin may give a go after listening to their user feedback.
Most active user won't create a community outside their main instance. Do you picture myself using Piefed.social for c/pisourd ? I would lose the benefit of my french speaking local timeline.
And yes, all content are federated but the way community are managed is different. I can show you the inside of tarte.nuage-libre.fr or [email protected]
Don't you want to give a try ? In exchange i will do a promotion on jlai.lu on any software you want to boost. That one will be the next "tour d'horizon"I can show you the inside of tarte.nuage-libre.fr or [email protected]
Maybe one day. Why not
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I just gave it a try, this is what the moderation panel looks like on Piefed:
Maybe this makes it more clear
Thanks, good to know.
