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What features are missing from piefed, or, why aren't we reccommending piefed instead of lemmy?

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  • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]

    You guys are a lot braver than me lol, I'd never run the Lemmy main branch in prod.

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    #78

    Running a main branch in production is beyond insanity.

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    • rimu@piefed.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #79

      Interstellar works with PieFed now although the API it uses is only enabled on one instance https://preferred.social as we're still testing it out.

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      • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

        Fair point, but mobile apps and inertia seem to outweigh those additional features

        rimu@piefed.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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        #80

        If you use a mobile app then whether your account is on Lemmy or PieFed makes no difference - most of your experience will be determined by which app you choose.

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        • sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS [email protected]

          Running a main branch in production is beyond insanity.

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          #81

          Welcome to the jungle

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          • nusm@yall.theatl.socialN [email protected]

            You may not be from the US, but in the US smartphone market, as of late 2024, iOS (Apple) holds a larger market share than Android, with iOS at around 58% and Android at 42%.

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            #82

            The US isn't the only country, and I bet people using the fediverse skew heavily toward android in the US anyway.

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            • rimu@piefed.socialR [email protected]

              If you use a mobile app then whether your account is on Lemmy or PieFed makes no difference - most of your experience will be determined by which app you choose.

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              #83

              Indeed, but at the moment only Interstellar has alpha support for Piefed.

              Once the Thunder for is released, and Voyager, Arctic, Summit etc start to support Piefed, then it will be the case.

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              • rimu@piefed.socialR [email protected]

                Interstellar works with PieFed now although the API it uses is only enabled on one instance https://preferred.social as we're still testing it out.

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                #84

                Is Interstellar support complete? I thought it was still in alpha/beta phase

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                • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                  We have data on what it costs to run a sizeable instance of Lemmy and it's not a lot. How does Piefed compare? Anyone starting an instance who envisions it growing large has to contend with this question.

                  There are now sizeable communities run on Lemmy instances that are reinforced by network effects. There needs to be a significant reason for them to migrate.

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                  #85

                  We won't 100% know the answer to that until we get there. But in 2025 fear of a lack of CPU cores is NOT what keeps me awake at night.

                  Early performance results are positive. Check these links out:

                  https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/13/technical-performance-of-each-fediverse-platform/

                  https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/09/comparing-network-utilization-of-lemmy-kbin-and-piefed/

                  There are many many ways to ruin web app performance and choice of backend language is not really a big one. It's what you do with it that counts.

                  https://piefed.social is running on a low end VPS which costs $7.50 per month. Load average is about 1.45 during the busiest part of the day. Most of the load is caused by federating with lemmy.world and that won't increase as more users come on board.

                  PieFed is already really efficient with storage. After 16 months of operation, subscribed to every popular community, the piefed.social DB is 30 GB and the media storage is 28 GB. A Lemmy instance would be 10x that.

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                  • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                    Is Interstellar support complete? I thought it was still in alpha/beta phase

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                    #86

                    Definitely alpha, yeah. But moving fast!

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                    • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                      Has world really not enabled parallel sending yet? That feature was made specifically for them.

                      I just checked the graph, its now 4.26 days.

                      Not wanting a meta post is weird though.

                      Every time I had a mod refusing meta posts it lead to power tripping. Better safe than sorry

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                      Even so, .world will eventually enable parallel sending, and even in the meantime aussie.zone only boasts 375 MAUs. I don't know that such a miniscule minority is worth bending over backwards for and creating further fragmentation.

                      Don't get me wrong, I'm all for choosing instances other than .world when setting up new comms. They're too big. But while we're still at a point where content amount is the primary concern and we're trying to achieve critical mass I also don't know if endless fragmentation is well advised.

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                      • simple@lemm.eeS [email protected]

                        My biggest issue with Piefed is how much space the UI uses. Last I checked it didn't have a "compact mode" like current Lemmy or Alexandrite. Browsing communities is also a bit awkward since it shows you so many topics without a way to sort or remove them.

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                        Ok. Watch this space: https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/issues/540

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                        • rimu@piefed.socialR [email protected]

                          We won't 100% know the answer to that until we get there. But in 2025 fear of a lack of CPU cores is NOT what keeps me awake at night.

                          Early performance results are positive. Check these links out:

                          https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/13/technical-performance-of-each-fediverse-platform/

                          https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/09/comparing-network-utilization-of-lemmy-kbin-and-piefed/

                          There are many many ways to ruin web app performance and choice of backend language is not really a big one. It's what you do with it that counts.

                          https://piefed.social is running on a low end VPS which costs $7.50 per month. Load average is about 1.45 during the busiest part of the day. Most of the load is caused by federating with lemmy.world and that won't increase as more users come on board.

                          PieFed is already really efficient with storage. After 16 months of operation, subscribed to every popular community, the piefed.social DB is 30 GB and the media storage is 28 GB. A Lemmy instance would be 10x that.

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                          #89

                          That's nice info, thanks! Do you know why the db difference?

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                          • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                            That's nice info, thanks! Do you know why the db difference?

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                            #90

                            I've never seen a Lemmy DB, sorry.

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                            • rimu@piefed.socialR [email protected]

                              I've never seen a Lemmy DB, sorry.

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                              Can confirm. When we took over the running of feddit.uk migrating the images took forever as it was around 300GB.

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                              • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                There's more than that.
                                Stuff like feeds, topics and better onboarding.

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                                #92

                                I run a Pixelfed instance. The code is faaaaaaaarrrrr from polished. Its buggy and the admin interface either doesn't work or is poorly implemented. I'd rather run and moderate Lemmy than Pixelfed. I have considered just shutting it down several times. I run the instance https://social.photo/.

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                                • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                  Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

                                  Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

                                  App support is one thing I can think of.

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                                  #93

                                  Probably app support. If Lemmy didn’t have wefwef/voyager during the API debacle of 2023, I probably would not have stuck around. The default UI is terrible for mobile.

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                                  • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                    There's more than that.
                                    Stuff like feeds, topics and better onboarding.

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                                    #94

                                    For people that care about that sort of thing, that’s great. I just need the ability to subscribe to communities and comment on posts and Lemmy has been great for that while using voyager

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      The US isn't the only country, and I bet people using the fediverse skew heavily toward android in the US anyway.

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                                      #95

                                      I wasn’t trying to be derogatory, I know that outside the US Android is the dominant platform, but in the US it’s iOS. (I actually thought the percentage of iOS users would have been a little higher.)

                                      That’s an interesting assumption that the Fediverse skews Android, I’d like to see some numbers on that.

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                                      • jgrim@discuss.onlineJ [email protected]

                                        I run a Pixelfed instance. The code is faaaaaaaarrrrr from polished. Its buggy and the admin interface either doesn't work or is poorly implemented. I'd rather run and moderate Lemmy than Pixelfed. I have considered just shutting it down several times. I run the instance https://social.photo/.

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                                        #96

                                        People are talking about Piefed not Pixelfed

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                                        • simple@lemm.eeS [email protected]

                                          My biggest issue with Piefed is how much space the UI uses. Last I checked it didn't have a "compact mode" like current Lemmy or Alexandrite. Browsing communities is also a bit awkward since it shows you so many topics without a way to sort or remove them.

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                                          #97

                                          That is exactly the main reason I created my own theme, but yeah there should be a official compact theme, especially for the mobile phone.

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