If you could add any new rule to a sport or game you enjoy, what rule and why?
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Baseball: no more home runs. If it goes out of the park it's a foul. It will force a much more dynamic infield game and get rid of boring ass pop flys.
Edit: exception for grand slams because that shit is pretty exciting.
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Baseball: Strictly timed innings. Take the average time of innings in the last season or two, set that as the time. Inning ends when the time ends. I don't care if it's mid-play, I don't care if the ball's in the air. And no extra innings. Tie game at the end of the 9th inning counts as a mutual loss.
Warhammer 40K: If it's on the table, play it. I don't care if it's a Battletech model, or a can of coke. It's a model, it gets a move, shoot, and melee.
Wouldn't your rule incentivise slower play from the fielding team? I don't follow baseball, but I imagine the longer an innings goes (in terms of number of plays), the more points the batting team can score. If you can artificially reduce the number of plays because there's a time limit and you just slow-play it, you gain an advantage.
Cricket addresses its timing issues through a few means, but one is finding the bowling team if over rates drop too low. This has its own problems (the assumption behind that rule is that low over rates are the fault of the bowling team, but this is not always true, especially with batsmen who have weird habits like regularly changing gloves, and with the use of player reviews), and I think it's better addressed at more fundamental levels, but I think it probably looks at it from a better place. Identify the culprit and do something that penalises them, rather than their opponent.
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Football
All the players are blindfolded
(I don't enjoy football, but I'd certainly watch it if it involved people running at each other full speed blindfolded)
Edit: American Football, but I'm honestly open to testing this on other sports too
I don't know if you're talking soccer, Aussie rules, gridiron, rugby (league or union), Gaelic football, or something else. But this is amusing whichever you pick.
Important: unlike variants of sports designed to be accessible to blind and low-vision players, this football is completely regular. Regular size, regular colour, no rattles or anything to make it easier to find the ball.
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A salary cap can't work in sports. I simply dont see how that could ever work. For example look at the IPL (Indian cricket) where players are paid off the books using sponsors etc.
I know the competition is an issue in football but what has solved it is actually the clubs that aren't restricted lol. PSG, Man City, Chelsea are 3 oof the clubs that have won the UCL recently.
I think multi club models should be banned, I think you should be forced to have 20% of the ownership be in the hands of socios or fans. Germany does 51%.
Ofc loopholes will always be found in any rule, just ask Chelsea. So I'm not convinced any rule would improve the economics or competition.
Look at laliga who put preemptive salary caps over revenue percentage. Barca avoid any repercussions. Meanwhile almeria, an ambitious club, a club owned by one of the richest mem in Spain is relegated bc they couldn't invest asuchbas they would've liked (although I smell smth shady there too).
Next issue is that different competitions are held by different associations so spanish fa rules for laliga meanwhile uefa rules for the UCL. There is no centralisation as there is in american sports. And then the cwc now with Fifa rules. Plus who makes these rules is another problem.
There are voting blocks created and a lot of politics by dinosaurs (the world cup hosting rights are a good example of what always happens).
Then theres balloon payments I'm the EPL, relegated clubs get more money than other championship teams for a while. Fairness questions are ridiculous bc fairness is impossible.
People dislike oil money but is it worse than other sources? Worse than old money?
As for competition, teams in the UCL will always make more money, either you do the ESL and remove the leagues do all the mammoths fcacd each other on equal grounds or you accept it as is.
Sorry for the rambling I typed while eating and my brain and hands were a mess.
For example, in the NRL, since 2004, there have been 11 or 12 winners (depending on whether you count the Eels winning after the Storm were found to have broken the salary cap, and had their Premiership taken from them retroactively). In the AFL it's 10. BBL has only existed since 2011, and it already surpasses EPL's 2004 total with 6 unique winners, despite also only having 9 teams compared to EPL's 20.
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"scoring more goals" is not a skill. It's an outcome.
Your first argument against stopped clocks is utter nonsense. It's an argument from tradition. "We've always done it this way, so we should continue to do so" is bullshit reasoning. Defend it if you genuinely think it's better, but explain the actual reasons it's better. "Because we always have" is not a valid argument.
Stopped clocks would just lead to commercial breaks.
This is, in principle, a better argument. It presents itself as an actual disadvantage of the changed rule.
The problem is that it doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't change the game itself at all. The refs in soccer already stop their stopwatches. They just don't communicate this back to production. And then when the game is supposed to be over (because the clock reads "90"), the ref says "actually we're doing another 12 minutes". The amount of time played would be the same. The amount of time spent with the game stopped due to injuries, corners, etc. would be the same. The only difference is that the number you see on the screen would be the correct time, not made up nonsense.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]"scoring more goals" is not a skill. It's an outcome.
That's fair. But the game is not decided on skills, it's decided on goals.
Unless you want a label of judges along the touchline holding up 9.8 9.7 9.9, etc for a keepie uppie competition, I think penalties is the best way so far devised.
Your first argument against stopped clocks is utter nonsense.
Is it? Maybe in your opinion.
Yes, it's an argument from tradition, and that's a fundamental part of football culture. Tradition is at the heart of everything that has made, and still makes, the sport great.
I don't feel any need to defend it beyond that, particularly not to someone who is talking like a belligerent prick for no apparent reason. I'd have been happy to have a discussion, but apparently you just came to abuse anyone with a different point of view. So bite me.
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Baseball. No sponsorships on uniforms.
I guess we could extend that to most sports. I know soccer is much more lax in that regard.
All professional teams that are televised must be broadcast free of charge to their local area. No local blackout restrictions. (Fuck you, Marquee Sports. Put the Cubs back on WGN.)
Beer must be under $10, in stadiums. It's $16 for even shitty domestic beer at Wrigley. It's damn robbery.
The beer is priced high to keep from having to deal with a critical mass of drunken idiots. No one gets wasted on $16 beer.
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Soccer: don't use penalty shootouts to break ties. Penalities are a weird little minigame that don't really represent the most important skills of soccer, which are things like field position and control of the ball.
I'm open to suggestions on what should be done to break ties, but I like the idea of golden point where, if a goal is not scores after a certain amount of time, the number of players on the field starts gradually decreasing. So after 5 minutes of golden point, you drop to 10 vs 10, after 10 minutes it's 9 vs 9, down to a minimum of like 5 vs 5. Fewer players will tend to benefit the attacking team, making scoring more likely as it goes on.
Also soccer, as well as rugby union: just use the fucking clock. When the clock we see on the TV screen reaches 90 (or 80), that's it. Game over. Adjustments due to stoppage time etc. should be made at that time and transparent for everyone to see, by pausing the clock then and there, and resuming it when play resumes. Not added on at the end.
Edit: actually, it seems like rugby union might have already adopted this? I'm not too sure, because I'm a rugby league fan myself, which has always done it the right way (or at least always in my lifetime).
Ever watch the street soccer 1v1 deals where they're just trying to dribble past a defender?
That's a mini game I'd love to watch as a tie breaker!
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Football
All the players are blindfolded
(I don't enjoy football, but I'd certainly watch it if it involved people running at each other full speed blindfolded)
Edit: American Football, but I'm honestly open to testing this on other sports too
I saw a YouTube video of a game where they played soccer in 3rd person. Everyone wore VR goggles that gave them a birds eye view of the field and it was very amusing to see.
Probably not to play, though.
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- Wait, how does the back foot no ball cause players stress? I thought that rule mostly impacts spin bowling, but it's fast bowlers who are at greatest risk of knee injury.
- Come on. You can't leave us hanging like that! At least name a few of the changes you'd suggest.
- See above
- Strongly agree. Batsmen are able to get an advantage by proceeding up the pitch early. Mankadding is required to even the playing field. Imagine in baseball if sneaking a base was allowed, but not pitchers getting you out for it!
- Strong disagree. There's enough evolution of the ball over the course of a test as it is. We don't need artificial substances any more than triathletes need to start allowing steroids.
- Strong disagree, with the exception that maybe they could make allowances for genuine injuries, if there's a safeguard preventing abuse of that. Creating a good team composition with a balance of the right kinds of players for the match is a core part of cricket. Allowing substitutions to cricket would be like if rugby started doing the gridiron thing of swapping out defensive and offensive teams.
As far as format rules go: I'd ban anything shorter than ODI. T20 and the IPL in particular are ruining cricket, with too many young players learning that style and becoming worse cricketers unable to adapt to the truest form of the game. The way the media went on and on about Sam Konstas because of his showboaty shitty T20 play style. Never mind that Webster, who debuted in the same series as an all-rounder to Konstas' specialist batsman averaged significantly more.
The only other rule that immediately comes to mind is one I've been told is being addressed. The ridiculous boundary catch rule. You shouldn't be allowed to jump from outside the boundary to keep the ball alive. Spectacular jumps from inside the boundary, throwing it back over the rope from outside before landing, either to another player or to yourself if you're able to get back in the field of play, are awesome. Hopping while continuously outside the field of play is not. Thankfully, I've heard they're fixing this soon, if they haven't already.
- MCC law for no balls.
21.5.1 the bowler’s back foot must land within and not touching the return crease appertaining to his/her stated mode of delivery.
21.5.2 the bowler’s front foot must land with some part of the foot, whether grounded or raised
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on the same side of the imaginary line joining the two middle stumps as the return crease described in 21.5.1, and -
behind the popping crease.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23098100/
Theres a lot of research on it. Even the intro to the first link should give you a basic overview if you're not interested about going in depth.
Basically, bowlers try to maximize stride length without overstepping. This often leads to forcefully “planting” the front foot close to the popping crease.
Also try to land just behind the crease for maximum reach and pace which leads to overstriding, causing hyperextension of the knee. Pcl knee injuries follow.
When bowlers shorten their stride or change delivery angle to avoid overstepping they also risk injury.
- Well first of all I'd like to just scrap Odis, they no longer serve a purpose in the sport. T20s have replaced them. (I dont want to get into the history of it all in an already long reply)
But if they did stay. Field restrictions and powerplays are ridiculous. Ball changes are ridiculous.
We use two new balls in ODI cricket now, and that makes people angry. But we actually used two balls in 50 over cricket always. Because leather won’t dye white correctly as it does with red, the balls are lighter in colour for their natural state. But to make them bright white they have their colour sprayed on.
White balls start harder and swing more than red ones, and after five or so overs are softer and stop swinging. Then as they degrade quicker, they pick up dirt and grass as well. So they stop doing anything at all, you can’t see them, or hit them as far. They are simply not fit for purpose.
Before what would happen is that at one stage in an ODI, the umpires would look at the sad, grey piece of sponge and decide to replace it. Later on they just unofficially changed it around the 35/36 over mark with a ball that was used, but not abused.
So at the end of 2011, the ICC made a decision that still annoys many ODI fans. They abandoned the one new ball and one soiled ball strategy and went with two new balls. Which they had done before.
Now i believe they are changing it back.
I instead want the pink ball used in Odis. Also move Odis to 40 overs.
A. I just talked about balls so let me say they are the most important part of cricket alongside pitches. Maybe second. OK you want pitches to be influenced by local knowledge and culture. But why tf are balls not standardised. We have no clue what is going on with cricket balls.
In 2017 or so kookaburra reinforced their balls seam which made the ball seam more and for longer bringing down batting averages and completely changing the sport, the way people bowled and batted and swlcted players. Some players lost their careers due to it. Kookaburra just did it on their own, no questions no research no accountability.
The ICC need to have their own ball development and research company. We have the same antiquated balls for no reason. We can change the material and have a non leather ball! Why hasn't SG and the BCCI focused on that?!?! We could change anything here and create smth that isn't destroyed in 35 overs. Something that has better bounce. The sky is the limit.
B. Reform the stupid chaotic calendar with dedicated windows. Have distinct international windows each year, alongside divisional structures for all three formats. Have relegation systems. Scheduling windows for ‘Core International Cricket’ – which should be implemented to cover one match per format against all other teams within consistent divisional championships.
C. Have a pathway to test status. Noone knows what they gotta do to get status.
D. Revenue sharing model needs to be changed. A centralised Global Growth and Development Fund – to be established, underpinned by pooled rights model applicable only to Core International Cricket, to fund Core International Cricket and other global initiatives
ICC revenue distribution – occurring within minimum and maximum parameters
Stronger regulation and accountability – on how distributed money is spent in all countries
Player revenue sharing parameters – to be applied in all sanctioned cricket.70% of the game's revenues are generated across just three months of the year, that 83% of all revenue is shared by three countries, and that revenues generated by bilateral cricket outside the big three constitutes less than 4%. Total player payments across cricket, it says, represent approximately 10% of all cricket revenue.
WCA projects a more optimal calendar (with windows and greater context) could result in an additional USD 246 million revenue for the game annually. It calls for the establishment of minimum and maximum distribution parameters of ICC revenues, giving as an example, "a minimum 2% and maximum 10% for the top 24 countries, and a minimum 10% distribution collectively for countries 25+." That would see the BCCI's share being cut from 38.5% in the current model to 10%.
Players, it says, should also receive a minimum percentage of revenue generated in all sanctioned cricket, across internationals, T20 leagues and ICC events. Another recommendation is the creation of a global growth and development fund, which would go towards sustaining the base level of Core International Cricket for the top 24+ countries. This fund would be built from a percentage of ICC events revenue, T20 leagues and pooled media rights from Core International Cricket - a concept that has been aired before at the ICC but always dismissed.
The issue is the bcci.
E. Archives and access to games. Have an ICC channel where people can subscribe and watch all games from the past. Live stream current games in countries where rights are undervalued or unsold atleast. And access to ICC events. The ICC allows no cricket to be shown and hinders growth. I lobe the way American sports allow you to watch the game atleast. Look at what they did to poor robelinda.
F. Eliminate stupid NOC requirements. Players shouldn't have to need permission from the board to do their job, especially players who aren't even centrally contracted.
G. Global cricket needs to come together with clear leadership to reflect the sport’s changing landscape and prevent fragmentation. The way the shady ass sport is run is terrible.
H. Figure out the league stuff. Player non payments, spot fixing etc. A lot happens beyond the test nations leagues. So not as worried bout the cpl or IPL but a random game in Singapore or Canada is sus.
I. Do smth about sports betting. Also a governments issue so I don't even know where to begin. Atleast work with betting companies to get some insight.
J. Have people be responsible for things. Noone has direct power over anything and noone takes responsibility over anything.
No one is actually in charge of the sport as a genuine custodian of the global game as a whole. Regional interests dominate and lead to short-term decisions. There is no independent leadership. The game is run by the most powerful boards, without any representation from leagues, franchises, players or women.
I say trash the ICC and create smth from scratch. Practically impossible ofc.
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- MCC law for no balls.
21.5.1 the bowler’s back foot must land within and not touching the return crease appertaining to his/her stated mode of delivery.
21.5.2 the bowler’s front foot must land with some part of the foot, whether grounded or raised
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on the same side of the imaginary line joining the two middle stumps as the return crease described in 21.5.1, and -
behind the popping crease.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23098100/
Theres a lot of research on it. Even the intro to the first link should give you a basic overview if you're not interested about going in depth.
Basically, bowlers try to maximize stride length without overstepping. This often leads to forcefully “planting” the front foot close to the popping crease.
Also try to land just behind the crease for maximum reach and pace which leads to overstriding, causing hyperextension of the knee. Pcl knee injuries follow.
When bowlers shorten their stride or change delivery angle to avoid overstepping they also risk injury.
- Well first of all I'd like to just scrap Odis, they no longer serve a purpose in the sport. T20s have replaced them. (I dont want to get into the history of it all in an already long reply)
But if they did stay. Field restrictions and powerplays are ridiculous. Ball changes are ridiculous.
We use two new balls in ODI cricket now, and that makes people angry. But we actually used two balls in 50 over cricket always. Because leather won’t dye white correctly as it does with red, the balls are lighter in colour for their natural state. But to make them bright white they have their colour sprayed on.
White balls start harder and swing more than red ones, and after five or so overs are softer and stop swinging. Then as they degrade quicker, they pick up dirt and grass as well. So they stop doing anything at all, you can’t see them, or hit them as far. They are simply not fit for purpose.
Before what would happen is that at one stage in an ODI, the umpires would look at the sad, grey piece of sponge and decide to replace it. Later on they just unofficially changed it around the 35/36 over mark with a ball that was used, but not abused.
So at the end of 2011, the ICC made a decision that still annoys many ODI fans. They abandoned the one new ball and one soiled ball strategy and went with two new balls. Which they had done before.
Now i believe they are changing it back.
I instead want the pink ball used in Odis. Also move Odis to 40 overs.
A. I just talked about balls so let me say they are the most important part of cricket alongside pitches. Maybe second. OK you want pitches to be influenced by local knowledge and culture. But why tf are balls not standardised. We have no clue what is going on with cricket balls.
In 2017 or so kookaburra reinforced their balls seam which made the ball seam more and for longer bringing down batting averages and completely changing the sport, the way people bowled and batted and swlcted players. Some players lost their careers due to it. Kookaburra just did it on their own, no questions no research no accountability.
The ICC need to have their own ball development and research company. We have the same antiquated balls for no reason. We can change the material and have a non leather ball! Why hasn't SG and the BCCI focused on that?!?! We could change anything here and create smth that isn't destroyed in 35 overs. Something that has better bounce. The sky is the limit.
B. Reform the stupid chaotic calendar with dedicated windows. Have distinct international windows each year, alongside divisional structures for all three formats. Have relegation systems. Scheduling windows for ‘Core International Cricket’ – which should be implemented to cover one match per format against all other teams within consistent divisional championships.
C. Have a pathway to test status. Noone knows what they gotta do to get status.
D. Revenue sharing model needs to be changed. A centralised Global Growth and Development Fund – to be established, underpinned by pooled rights model applicable only to Core International Cricket, to fund Core International Cricket and other global initiatives
ICC revenue distribution – occurring within minimum and maximum parameters
Stronger regulation and accountability – on how distributed money is spent in all countries
Player revenue sharing parameters – to be applied in all sanctioned cricket.70% of the game's revenues are generated across just three months of the year, that 83% of all revenue is shared by three countries, and that revenues generated by bilateral cricket outside the big three constitutes less than 4%. Total player payments across cricket, it says, represent approximately 10% of all cricket revenue.
WCA projects a more optimal calendar (with windows and greater context) could result in an additional USD 246 million revenue for the game annually. It calls for the establishment of minimum and maximum distribution parameters of ICC revenues, giving as an example, "a minimum 2% and maximum 10% for the top 24 countries, and a minimum 10% distribution collectively for countries 25+." That would see the BCCI's share being cut from 38.5% in the current model to 10%.
Players, it says, should also receive a minimum percentage of revenue generated in all sanctioned cricket, across internationals, T20 leagues and ICC events. Another recommendation is the creation of a global growth and development fund, which would go towards sustaining the base level of Core International Cricket for the top 24+ countries. This fund would be built from a percentage of ICC events revenue, T20 leagues and pooled media rights from Core International Cricket - a concept that has been aired before at the ICC but always dismissed.
The issue is the bcci.
E. Archives and access to games. Have an ICC channel where people can subscribe and watch all games from the past. Live stream current games in countries where rights are undervalued or unsold atleast. And access to ICC events. The ICC allows no cricket to be shown and hinders growth. I lobe the way American sports allow you to watch the game atleast. Look at what they did to poor robelinda.
F. Eliminate stupid NOC requirements. Players shouldn't have to need permission from the board to do their job, especially players who aren't even centrally contracted.
G. Global cricket needs to come together with clear leadership to reflect the sport’s changing landscape and prevent fragmentation. The way the shady ass sport is run is terrible.
H. Figure out the league stuff. Player non payments, spot fixing etc. A lot happens beyond the test nations leagues. So not as worried bout the cpl or IPL but a random game in Singapore or Canada is sus.
I. Do smth about sports betting. Also a governments issue so I don't even know where to begin. Atleast work with betting companies to get some insight.
J. Have people be responsible for things. Noone has direct power over anything and noone takes responsibility over anything.
No one is actually in charge of the sport as a genuine custodian of the global game as a whole. Regional interests dominate and lead to short-term decisions. There is no independent leadership. The game is run by the most powerful boards, without any representation from leagues, franchises, players or women.
I say trash the ICC and create smth from scratch. Practically impossible ofc.
My reply wouldn't post in one go. Jesus I speak too much.
Here's the continuation.
Thing is each of these I could write 6000 words on. All of this requires a lot of talking and has a lot of stakeholders and powers affecting it, cricket is a mess. I genuinely think Saudi coming in is gonna help the sport lol.
https://youtu.be/CU77TgMksSU
Link to my favourite sports journalist. Incredible writer and researched, really understands admin and the sport. Amazing yt channel.Ive used the wca report in this point too at places, like the revenue share point. Also scheduling.
- Players use sweat rn, saliva has been reintroduced too. I know of players having used the horse nail strengthener on their nails to affect the ball. Reports and stories of people doing all sorts of things to affect the ball, sandpaper gate too ofc.
Now all of these have issues, especially health and hygiene. Saliva can cause diseases to spread. If we allow some sort of solution that replaces sweat (a major issue was that collecting sweat was annoying, with saliva you always instantly have enough). If you give the umpire a bottle of a sweat mimicking substance, saline solution or smth, that the bowlers can use to shine the ball it eliminates the issue.
- There is no reason cricket doesn't have subs. Other sports started having them and we were left behind and over time just decided to call it tradition.
If both teams have 15 players you need a balanced composition of 15 players. You'll see this issue come up every WC when all fans are arguing about wanting one extra spinner or pacer or whatever else. When both teams have the same number of players you'll always need to find the balance.
Do we go in with 7 bowlers and 8 batters? Can we afford a specialist keeper? A specialist fielder? It only adds to the game, doesn't take away anything. One more strategic element.
This is also very important for injury prevention. Say Lyon gets injured first innings and the aussie pace trio has to bowl out his over too! Can you imagine the physical toll that would take over 5 days!
And don't suggest injury subs they dont work. Players, bowlers in particular are always somewhat injured.
- Move cricket to 2 overs from each end before and change. This is smth I forgot to say in the original comment. Half as many ads and reduce time waste of changing ends and fields so often.
No offense but I hate the t20 is ruining cricket idea. No it isn't. It is cricket. I also dislike the soul of cricket idea. and yes i exclusively watch test cricket myself, plus world cups. OK the occasional t20 too, but barely.
As for Sam Konstas, ofc the media would do that! Hes the first teen to play for aus in forever, they dont play players so young. He's opening! The toughest batting position by far. In a country with no openers.
Beau is at 6-7 the easiest batting position, facing the easiest bowlers at the easiest times. Hes 31 or so and aus have 5 other similar players. Hes a goo d plug and play option pur nothing special.
Konstas took on bumrah, the greatest ever 3 format bowler and the best test bowler atm. With the new ball! On debut! At 19! In AUS!
Alone maybe none of those things would be insane, together they are. Plus he rattled the Indian team, kohli etc fighting a kid was pathetic.
I don't think the jumps are a big deal, they are a fun lil thing, if they change it I don't mind, if they dont I don't care. It'll successfully happen once in like 200 games and be a very cool moment.
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I would implement two salary rules for baseball:
- A hard salary floor and cap. Super cheap teams like the current Rockies that are all but guaranteed to lose is a detriment to the competitiveness of the entire league, as are pay-to-win juggernauts
- No deferred money contracts. They’re bad for competitiveness (see the current Dodgers) and a bummer for fan bases when the time comes to pay out the deferred money and the team can’t afford a viable roster.
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I think Warhammer could be improved with the addition of a cat. You either get a large piece of on unnavigable terrain, or a natural disaster that wreaks havoc... Possibly both in various degrees.
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Baseball: There is now a gun under second base.
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"scoring more goals" is not a skill. It's an outcome.
That's fair. But the game is not decided on skills, it's decided on goals.
Unless you want a label of judges along the touchline holding up 9.8 9.7 9.9, etc for a keepie uppie competition, I think penalties is the best way so far devised.
Your first argument against stopped clocks is utter nonsense.
Is it? Maybe in your opinion.
Yes, it's an argument from tradition, and that's a fundamental part of football culture. Tradition is at the heart of everything that has made, and still makes, the sport great.
I don't feel any need to defend it beyond that, particularly not to someone who is talking like a belligerent prick for no apparent reason. I'd have been happy to have a discussion, but apparently you just came to abuse anyone with a different point of view. So bite me.
But the game is not decided on skills, it's decided on goals.
Yes, but the rule set should be set up so you're more likely to win if you play better fundamentals. Penalties don't do that very well.
As I said, I don't know for certain what the best answer could be, but I proposed one solution I think would work really well. I'd love to hear alternatives.
I'd have been happy to have a discussion, but apparently you just came to abuse anyone with a different point of view
Incredibly ironic considering how directly rude you're being to me, as a person. I criticised a bad argument by attacking the argument. I would appreciate a response in kind.
I'm happy to have a discussion. Genuinely, that's why I'm here. Why I've spent as much time writing about this.
But I care about having quality discussions. With people engaging in good faith rhetoric. I don't have any interest in dealing politely with obvious poor rhetoric. An argument from tradition is one of the worst examples of lazy, bad rhetoric.
Soccer's popularity is in spite of, not because of, its glaring flaws. It's because of a history colonialism and clever marketing. And because it's easy to play informally with a few mates. All you need is something vaguely ball-like, a bit of open space, and some basic way to mark goals. The same reasons for the world's second most-popular sport, which just needs a ball, a strong stick, and a few weaker sticks or other object that can stand vertically on the ground. This is neither an insult nor a complement to the sports, it just is.
The whole point of this thread is to discuss rule changes to improve sports. If you think "because it's always been done that way" is a reason not to improve a sport, I don't even know why you're here. But I don't want to make this about you, I want to be talking about the substance of the arguments. If you're willing to do that, I'd be happy to continue.
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Baseball: make steroids mandatory
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A salary cap can't work in sports
Uhh, wrong? Like, provably, obviously wrong, from all the sports that do successfully implement it. There isn't a single Australian league of note without a salary cap, including the soccer A League and T20 cricket Big Bash. American sports also largely have salary caps.
You're not wrong that there are problems and loopholes that need to be carefully addressed, but that is not a reason not to do it at all. It's a reason to look to examples elsewhere and learn from their successes and mistakes, and improve upon them.
It's a matter of fairness and good competition. A team with huge pockets being able to win half the time is grossly unfair and against the spirit of sport. And it's not fun as a fan or spectator when the same few teams win over and over again.
People dislike oil money but is it worse than other sources? Worse than old money?
I don't think this is necessarily relevant to a salary cap discussion. Maybe a team gets its funding from Old Money. Maybe it gets them from oil. But with a salary cap, the impact of either of those is much less, since a much higher percentage of funding will be directly from revenue generated by the team itself, and the league more generally.
Fwiw though my answer is yes. Old Money did crimes decades and centuries ago. And that's obviously less bad than ongoing crimes today. By analogy: if you had to pick, which is better: to put someone in gaol for a murder they committed 40 years ago, or prevent someone else from being able to commit murder later this year? For me the answer is obvious.
It works in american sports bc there is no promotion or relegation. Can't work in a sport with it. I know the big bash has no more teams than the few that participate and cricket economic model is even worse.
American sports play under one federation. Who do you want enforcing the rules? Uefa? Fifa? The national fa? The national league? Other national sporting authorities? Other European sporting authorities? Other global sporting authorities?
Who's laws do they follow? National? Continental? International? Regional? How do you create an even field when some teams are getting UCL money and dominating local leagues?
Do you make man city give their UCL winnings tk Southampton? How do you account for the Italian tax system?
Again its not possible in football. Not that no financial law is possible, just that the salary cap won't work. Bc the revenue of teams can never be the same.
Barca can spend 40% of their revenue on sporting expenses and so can Cadiz. They just have different revenues.
How do Cadiz get the big revenue? Either outside investment like psg etc or long term European football (nearly impossible and only viable for a couple of clubs in every league).
So the uneven nature will exist so long as:
- Teams play in more than one competition.
- Promotion and relegation exist.
For the old money thing. All profit and the money of capitalists is exploited and the surplus value of labour of the workers. All investors are the same. They can't have money now if they aren't exploiting someone now.
But let's drop this argument, it never goesnto a natural conclusion.
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For example, in the NRL, since 2004, there have been 11 or 12 winners (depending on whether you count the Eels winning after the Storm were found to have broken the salary cap, and had their Premiership taken from them retroactively). In the AFL it's 10. BBL has only existed since 2011, and it already surpasses EPL's 2004 total with 6 unique winners, despite also only having 9 teams compared to EPL's 20.
Now I'm not an expert in these leagues. But i know a lil about the bbl atleast.
I predict the NRL has no relegation? And teams only play in the NRL? I also guess the worst team has first pick in drafts or whatever?
With the BBL, its ridiculous. One year your best players get called up to national teams and you're done for. Its a joke the way cricket leagues are run. Similarly no relegation.
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But when could they run the commercials?
Think about cricket fans
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1 is such a huge problem with tennis, too. Absolutely ban the obnoxious grunts and yells.
Other than maria sharapova, let her do what she's doing
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Sports in general need to make it illegal to dive to draw an undeserved penalty (or actually enforce the existing rules)
This is the nub of it - lack of enforcement of existing rules. People are always clamouring for this new rule or that new rule, when in fact there's already one in place.
Eg football
At present, if a goalie has the ball in hand then they have 6 seconds to release it, or it's meant to be an indirect free kick to the opposition inside the goalie's team's 18 yard box. Very dangerous situation to defend, so you'd think it'd be a deterrent. However I can count on 2 fingers the number of times I've actually seen it enforced.
So now there's a change to the rules coming - if they have it in hand for 8 seconds, it's a corner to the other team.
So, it's a less punishing punishment, and they have 2 extra seconds' leeway. It makes absolutely no sense.
It makes absolutely no sense.
It does seem strange, but there's some possible rationale behind it. If the rule is not currently being enforced, it could be because refs feel the level of the rule breaking is not proportionate with the level of the punishment. Decreasing the punishment, as well as increasing the severity of the rule breaking required to incur it might induce refs to be more inclined to enforce the punishment.
We've seen something similar recently in another type of football. A few years ago, the NRL changed the punishment for minor ruck infringements and defensive offsides in their defensive half from a penalty—which requires the ref to stop the game entirely* and gives an immediate opportunity for a goal kick worth 2 points—to a reset of the tackle count. If that would have been the fifth tackle of their possession (and thus the next one is their last), a ruck infringement resets it to the first. It used to be the case that teams would get away unpunished with all but the most egregious of offences. Now it gets used quite a lot, because the minor offences are met with a comparatively minor punishment.
* as a side note, this should be a goal of all rules and enforcement in all football sports apart from maybe gridiron. And in other similar field sports. Keep the game flowing where possible. It's a huge problem with rugby union at the top level IMO. That sport is supposed to flow quite freely, but the level of refereeing results in extremely frequent stoppages, which makes for very poor viewing. My experience has been that the game works much better at a lower level where refs let things flow more.
