What Would a Fair and Community-Focused Monetization Model on the Fediverse Look Like?
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Well there was sub.club but it died.
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So what that you're a leftist?
You were taking about "educating me" and the best you can come up with is a standard copytext that spammed everywhere?
At least come up with something new and interesting not the standard word salad about the Federal Reserve.
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Cryptobros aren't really present on there, at least I never encounter such people. But it's mainly a "Bitcoiner Bubble" and that's why I have some issue with staying on there regularly, I don't like mind-bubbles. However there is some amazing experimentation on there with Value4Value or tipping sats (fractions of bitcoins) instead of liking, local-side open source algorithmes that you can choose and change and the thing I'm most excited about is Ditto which is a community server that act as a Nostr relay AND an ActivityPub instance.
I think Nostr is superior to ActivityPub because you don't need accounts, it's authentification is based on asymetrical cryptographic keys which enable digital identities without a central server. However I use the Fediverse more because it is more mature, less mind-bubble and fucking better than commercial, centralized plateforms with opaque algorithmes that you have no control over.
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Sometimes things that are repeated over and over again are actually true.
Just because you don’t understand how the world works doesn’t make this untrue.
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And if you're incapable of presenting your message even with a modicum of nuance, and you're forced to revert to comical parroting of what is essentially political spam, then what you're saying is almost certainly complete BS.
Try and promote what you're saying in a nuanced way. You won't be able to. We both know this!
Prove me wrong!
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You: “If you won’t spend your whole weekend on your smart phone, writing a paper for me complete with MLA formatted bibliography, you are wrong.”
https://jamesclear.com/book-summaries/confessions-of-an-economic-hitman
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Nono, it is not all just a scam. It is just {insert list of pretty much all relevant actors} that are scammers, the idea itself is totally legit! /s
Futher reading: https://drewdevault.com/2021/04/26/Cryptocurrency-is-a-disaster.html
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You mean a bit like WordPress.com model?
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Scammers:
- don’t tend to share any of their their source code
- usually have an initial token allocation where insiders are given early access to more than 15% of tokens. (this one is a CRUCIAL)..Obviously, the best ITA is one where the tokens are 100% available to everyone at once.
- heavily market their cryptocurrency before it even has a use-case (most projects fall into this category)
- their governance is centralized to some charismatic Elon-bro that talks about price all the time
- don’t let you to use any wallet you want (self-sovereignty is CRUCIAL)
- don’t give you access to your keys at all times (again, self-sovereignty)
- are not just some governance token or ERC-20 or some quickly minted Solana token ($LIBRA $TRUMP $MELANIA were all obvious scams)
- never have a viable peer-reviewed white paper
- their code is NEVER formally verified by neutral parties
- use technologies that are not auditable
- use technologies that are not decentralized
I’ve spotted many scammers a mile away just starting with this list off the top of my head.
For instance, I am the moderator of infosec.pub/c/midnight and actually locked my own communities until I see the source code.
I like the tech from what they tell me. But, I can’t, in good conscience recommend it yet because it ticks some of the above scammer boxes.
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I agree. Look at email servers. It just works out. Email server owners don't look at the content. They just host the servers. Both protocols are federates.
Forums will most likely be driven by the community and volunteers. Just lets move everyone over to the fediverse. Then it should be easier to find such people.
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Yet you fail to see the forest for the trees...
A system that makes it so trivial to scam people, is a system made for (and likely by) scammers, even if it has other good ideas as well.
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I suspect you should listen to your own counterpoint:
Don’t walk down the street because someone might rob you.
Don’t use your computer because someone could hack you.
Don’t go swimming because it is possible to drown.
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
An uncensorable ledger not controlled by any one party is (at the very least) a valuable technology with unique abilities despite scammers using it for gambling.
The digital equivalent of uniqueness is (at the very least) a valuable technology with unique abilities despite assholes using it for Bored Apes.
Just because you can’t see the use case, doesn’t mean me need to stop innovating.
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But do you remember how they monetized email
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That completely misses the point I was trying to make you understand. But I guess you are a bit too deep in the bezzle to understand it (yet).
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Agree to disagree then. You don’t seem to grasp my points and I don’t grasp yours. Peace.
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There are a few ways to monetise the Fediverse.
- Donations - to devs and those running the instances. Lemmy gets enough from donations and grants to have a couple of full-time devs but it still doesn't pay a lot. dansup using Kickstarter is proving interesting. Donations to your instance works well and a lot of places that offer this bring in enough to cover hosting costs but not much more. Open Collective has proved very good in this regard.
- Classified ads - [email protected] does a decent job of bringing buyers and sellers together.
- Subscription newsletters/blogs - Ghost is moving into the same space as Substack but with federation, so should do well.
So you wouldn't be able to give up the day job by running an instance but you might if you were the lead devs of a popular service or if you had a thriving following on Ghost.
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Possibly, but I'm not very familiar with wordpress.
I imagined something like:
https://nextcloud.com/partners/
The idea is that I could pay someone to admin the same services that they provide to the public.
So like maybe lemmy.world and the other popular instances could offer a Lemmy instance, and maybe also offer: matrix, pixelfed, mastodon, etc etc.
There are decent options out there for mainstream services like email, web, etc. but maybe not for more niche services like lemmy.
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Servers and bandwidth can be expensive yo
Doesn't that just mean federation instance maintainers are self-selected among those members of the community who can afford them in the first place? It's just a less distributed form of a donation system. Instead of relying on 50 people making a 1$ donation each to pay a 50$ hosting bill, you rely on one person (the maintainer of the instance) making a single 50$ donation. That the maintainer wants to donate is already established, how much they can afford to donate can always be reflected by how much they're willing to let their instance grow.
That doesn't bode well for the longevity of any single instance, but I've always assumed the general idea was to have as many small instances as possible anyway instead of few big ones, otherwise what's the point of federation. And if you avoid big instances then there will never be a need to funnel funds into big hosting bills. -
That's pretty cool, I didn't know that about lemmy.zip
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You don't need to write a paper or even provide links.
If you actually had a legitimate arguement (and weren't just parroting copytext that you don't really understand beyond "I think it makes me look cool and independent"), you would have been able to summarize it in a few sentences in your own words.
This is not rocket science.
