What Would a Fair and Community-Focused Monetization Model on the Fediverse Look Like?
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That completely misses the point I was trying to make you understand. But I guess you are a bit too deep in the bezzle to understand it (yet).
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Agree to disagree then. You don’t seem to grasp my points and I don’t grasp yours. Peace.
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There are a few ways to monetise the Fediverse.
- Donations - to devs and those running the instances. Lemmy gets enough from donations and grants to have a couple of full-time devs but it still doesn't pay a lot. dansup using Kickstarter is proving interesting. Donations to your instance works well and a lot of places that offer this bring in enough to cover hosting costs but not much more. Open Collective has proved very good in this regard.
- Classified ads - [email protected] does a decent job of bringing buyers and sellers together.
- Subscription newsletters/blogs - Ghost is moving into the same space as Substack but with federation, so should do well.
So you wouldn't be able to give up the day job by running an instance but you might if you were the lead devs of a popular service or if you had a thriving following on Ghost.
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Possibly, but I'm not very familiar with wordpress.
I imagined something like:
https://nextcloud.com/partners/
The idea is that I could pay someone to admin the same services that they provide to the public.
So like maybe lemmy.world and the other popular instances could offer a Lemmy instance, and maybe also offer: matrix, pixelfed, mastodon, etc etc.
There are decent options out there for mainstream services like email, web, etc. but maybe not for more niche services like lemmy.
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Servers and bandwidth can be expensive yo
Doesn't that just mean federation instance maintainers are self-selected among those members of the community who can afford them in the first place? It's just a less distributed form of a donation system. Instead of relying on 50 people making a 1$ donation each to pay a 50$ hosting bill, you rely on one person (the maintainer of the instance) making a single 50$ donation. That the maintainer wants to donate is already established, how much they can afford to donate can always be reflected by how much they're willing to let their instance grow.
That doesn't bode well for the longevity of any single instance, but I've always assumed the general idea was to have as many small instances as possible anyway instead of few big ones, otherwise what's the point of federation. And if you avoid big instances then there will never be a need to funnel funds into big hosting bills. -
That's pretty cool, I didn't know that about lemmy.zip
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You don't need to write a paper or even provide links.
If you actually had a legitimate arguement (and weren't just parroting copytext that you don't really understand beyond "I think it makes me look cool and independent"), you would have been able to summarize it in a few sentences in your own words.
This is not rocket science.
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Yeah, the largest email company is probably Google (maybe Microsoft). Google definitely looks at every email they receive for users!
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I would love this, great idea
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I don't use Gmail. There are plenty of email providers out there that is completely free without ads and privacy focused. Mailfence, Tutanota, ProtonMail etc.
Personally I use my ISP provider that is actually pro privacy - Bahnhof . That due it is a niche and if you don't save logs you don't have the log storage cost.If feddit.nu (only 50 users) did not exist I would have chosen to self-host it on the free Oracle VPS teir.
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The claim was "Email server owners don't look at the content". This is untrue since possibly the largest owner of email servers looks at the content to monetize the service. That's all.
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They are not suppose to do that. It is disrespect to the user privacy. Hence good opportunity to change owner.
Just a design flaw of the protocol that makes it possible to abuse that. Gmail is just one single provider, but yes, many more does it and Gmail is big. -
No monetization, donations only without begging.
Have any of you guys ever hosted... anything? It's not as expensive as the people asking for your money would have you believe.
I highly recommend getting some of your own experience before assuming people who say "server costs are expensive" are discussing in good faith.
Most of them are scumbags who are looking for useful idiots to peddle their bullshit for them.
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We can and we are.
It's just that useful idiots have been convinced that nobody does anything because they actually want to do it.
To them, the only reason to do something is to make money from it or distract them from bigger issues. It's why their lives only consist of working and playing video games.
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They...? If you choose to pay for something you can be getting for free, it's kind of your fault for being a useful idiot.
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Any excesses in finance I would hope go towards future running costs
We need to normalize posting expenses along with donations.
Let's stop trusting people when they say something costs "a lot." Have them share the actual numbers. Don't take their word for it.
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No, they really aren't, and they scale with users.
Have any of you guys ever hosted… anything? It’s not as expensive as the people asking for your money would have you believe.
I highly recommend getting some of your own experience before assuming people who say “server costs are expensive” are discussing in good faith.
Most of them are scumbags who are looking for useful idiots to peddle their bullshit for them.
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We need to stop discussing server costs without including actual numbers.
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Couldn't agree more.
Technology forums are usually just advertising boards.
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maybe the ad model has merits on pragmatic grounds but
No, ads aren't necessary at all. They should be illegal.
