Kosher
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Not the best comparison, but if somebody sticks a "FCK NZS" sticker on my door at work, im not gonna think that they see me as a nazi.
What if they do actually see you as a Nazi though? Because I would wager that whoever wrote that message was expecting that the message would be read by a Zionist.
Don't get me wrong, I get what you're saying about not taking a sentiment personally if you know that you're not the intended audience. For example, I have many trans friends, who sometimes make jokes where cis people are part of the punchline. Although I'm cis, I don't take it personally because I know that being witness to the joke at all means that I am not the kind of person who is being joked about — indeed, it makes me feel privileged to be trusted enough to be within the "safe" bubble for my trans friends.
However, in this case, if I think about how I would feel if I were an anti-zionist Jew who received this meal, I'd feel pretty shitty because it would remind me of how gross it feels that Israel equating Judaism and the Israeli state makes Jewish people everywhere less safe; a fucked up side effects of Israel's atrocities is that even loudly anti-zionist Jewish people are at risk of increased antisemitism (genuine antisemitism, not just attacking the state of Israel and/or Zionist stances). It would feel shitty because no matter how loudly you scream "they do not speak for us" (an act that will get you condemned as being anti-Semitic, even if you're Jewish), Israel is not facing the kind of opposition that's necessary.
Part of how we resist Israel is by not letting them define themselves as synonymous with Judaism. I respect the intention of the person who wrote the message on the meal, but I believe the act itself to be misguided due to ultimately reinforcing Israel's preferred world view. It's important to remember that genuine antisemitism (i.e. stuff aimed at Jewish people rather than at Israel) is useful to Israel, because it helps them to manufacture consent for the ongoing genocide, and generally fuels the Zionist project
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Because they support genocide?
Because people target them based on their religion/ethnicity.
See my response here
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For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told "free palestine" let alone made to question the safety of their food.
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I'd be afraid that the food had been tampered with. It isn't even something that I'd considered until I saw this post, but there is actually a huge degree of implicit trust involved in eating a meal prepared and handled by someone else.
This meal was targeted specifically because it was labelled kosher, because it was expected that a jew would be receiving it.
The message itself isn't anti-semitic, but the targeting is, and there are many actual anti-semites out there who want to cause real bodily harm and/or death to jews.
How do you think a muslim or palestinian would react if their halal meal had been tagged with the note "never forget october 7" or something similar?
Self-victimizing and false equivalence, classic.
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Because people target them based on their religion/ethnicity.
See my response here
Oh, thank you ICE.
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Not the best comparison, but if somebody sticks a "FCK NZS" sticker on my door at work, im not gonna think that they see me as a nazi.
Any reasonable person would see that as an accusation.
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Oh, thank you ICE.
No problem. Hope you found the answer informative
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I may not know that many Jewish people but all of my hebros and hebroettes oppose genocide.
I know lots of Jewish people and most of them say they're anti-genocide and then say that this isn't a genocide. And if it is a genocide, then the Palestinians deserve it. I don't know if this belief is so pervasive because they're Jewish or because I'm from Texas with family in Israel.
All's I know is that most of the Jews I know would have been totally cool with Hitler as long as he wasn't killing too many Jews. I'm so fucking disappointed and disgusted by my family and community.
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If it has this label, how can you be sure someone didn't spit in it or worse?
You definitely can't
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Self-victimizing and false equivalence, classic.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Non Jews sure don't have any idea how rabid people who hate Jews can get
It's not like there was a massive event centered around killing as many of us as possible or anything
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Sound argument. I'd like to add that pork beats kosher!
That definitely depends. On the one hand there are some pretty delicious jewish cultural dishes, and I know some Jews who are religious and stick strictly to kosher diets have a hard time with the taste of pork after not eating it for a long time (a bit like vegetarians with meat). On the other hand, bacon though...
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Non Jews sure don't have any idea how rabid people who hate Jews can get
It's not like there was a massive event centered around killing as many of us as possible or anything
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well there's certainly no other racial or minority group that could understand that
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For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told "free palestine" let alone made to question the safety of their food.
Way more than Jewish people order the kosher meal on a plane. You're making a bit of a leap assuming they're not Israeli. Not to mention assuming the story is real for which there's no evidence.
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For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told "free palestine" let alone made to question the safety of their food.
The details are lacking, if this is on everyones meals, then that's ok in my books, if it only targets Jewish people then there is a problems
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FCK NZS
What did the New Zealanders do to deserve this??
They're hiding themselves from the cartographers for a reason, no doubt crimes
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For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told "free palestine" let alone made to question the safety of their food.
muslims would likely prefer kosher meals as well, unless there's a specifically halal option.
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The details are lacking, if this is on everyones meals, then that's ok in my books, if it only targets Jewish people then there is a problems
https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/
It was on other kosher meals, it does not technically say it wasn't also on other non-kosher meals. I think it's a reasonable assumption though. -
Way more than Jewish people order the kosher meal on a plane. You're making a bit of a leap assuming they're not Israeli. Not to mention assuming the story is real for which there's no evidence.
https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/
Appears real, was on other kosher meals, and was not Israeli. -
https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/
It was on other kosher meals, it does not technically say it wasn't also on other non-kosher meals. I think it's a reasonable assumption though.Hold on a second. That articles from August 6th. The post is from August 20th. Something is clearly not right here.
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Hold on a second. That articles from August 6th. The post is from August 20th. Something is clearly not right here.
People post links to things weeks after the fact on Twitter all the time; that's pretty benign.
