Bluesky is more open than you think.
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One issue for me, and this is also true of Mastodon and by extension Mbin, is that I greatly prefer the voting and focus on a topic area rather than person. X / Twitter / Mastodon / Bluesky is where celebrities go to increase their profits, fame, and relevance, while Reddit / Lemmy / PieFed (/ + nodeBB + flarum + others) are where we discuss matters of import. I'm not criticizing your post here - this is definitely the correct community to discuss such matters:-) - just interjecting my personal preferences into the conversation, to disclose my own biases.
I like both formats, but I do prefer forum-style conversation.
https://frontpage.fyi/ is a link-aggregator built on atproto.
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maybe open technically. but my impression of BlueSky is that it is full of neoliberal status quo apologists. would be happy to be wrong.
Yes, it is, but so is mastodon, if I curate my feed, I can exclude them from it.
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I like both formats, but I do prefer forum-style conversation.
https://frontpage.fyi/ is a link-aggregator built on atproto.
Very nice
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I like both formats, but I do prefer forum-style conversation.
https://frontpage.fyi/ is a link-aggregator built on atproto.
Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive
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Should BSky go login wall one day the same way Twitter does, then wafrn wouldn't be an alternative
The login wall is set by the user not by Bluesky. It’s a privacy setting
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No, mastodon is more decentralised than bluesky, but its designed so that PDSes aren't that important, unlike mastodon.
I would argue that’s centralisation. Instances are inherently centralised, they own the user identity, relationships and data. A user “migration” which isn’t really a migration it’s an alt account on another server, if that server is blocking or is blocked then that users social graph can be significantly impacted. There’s no way to really migrate their content.
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Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive
Yeah, it doesn't even have communities.
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Yeah, it doesn't even have communities.
https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that.
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The login wall is set by the user not by Bluesky. It’s a privacy setting
I was talking about an enshittification scenario similar to Twitter
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I would argue that’s centralisation. Instances are inherently centralised, they own the user identity, relationships and data. A user “migration” which isn’t really a migration it’s an alt account on another server, if that server is blocking or is blocked then that users social graph can be significantly impacted. There’s no way to really migrate their content.
Instances are centralised, but the network isn't.
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In theory Bluesky users have the option to switch, but in practice they don't
36 Million users can't just switch to other servers only catering for ~15,000 users.mastodon.social has ~30% of the active users, which is a lot, but if it went down Mastodon would continue working for most users.
You can't compare the 99.96% market share Bluesky has with that.
Also: hosting PDSes is piss easy, if there was demand for people to move to other servers, more PDSes would pop up.
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Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive
I blame this on an UX blunder.
Bluesky users are taught not to enter their Bluesky passwords to enter different apps, but rather create a different "app password" for each one. Then Frontpage went OAuth which directs users to Bluesky login page.
Bluesky brings us a different login page for OAuth use
and obviously does not remember that we are already logged in in the same browser.This of course means that we have to enter a Bluesky password to a slightly different-looking website - a somewhat fishy way to authenticate a user...
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There are only 15,000 out of 36 Million users that are on servers not owned by Bluesky.
99.96% of users being on one instance isn't Decentralised even if the technology supports it in theory.
If 99.96% of users were on lemmy.world, I wouldn't call lemmy decentralised even if the technology allows it in theory.🧮 Decentralization Scoring System (v1.3)
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I think the self-hosting bit is a bit flawed, its almost entirely based on opinion.
For example, I'd have taken a lot of points from email as its all too easy to get blacklisted for doing everything right, and setting up everything is a pain. Cory Doctorow (Author and popular blogger) got on a spam-blocklist for self-hosting his newsletter, and it was an effort for him to get himself off it. It would be impossible for an average joe to get off a blocklist.
You can self-host old versions of reddit, I'd have given it a few points.
Self hosting a PDS is pretty popular, but the average PDS has less users than mastodon instances.
Its also not very poorly documented, hosting the official PDS is just running three commands: https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting#preparation-for-self-hosting-pds . they have a docker for it as well.
Maybe not bluesky itself, but there is lots of atproto AppViews (essentially clients) which do stuff. Would you classify frontpage.fyi as a client?
There is clients for bluesky itself anyway, graysky, deck[.]blue, AppViewLite, the official apps, deer[.]social gander[.]social tapestry, surf, phoenix (made by the people who made ivory), skeets (real app), bluejeans, off the top of my head.
I think the content share part doesn't really apply to bluesky since everything is portable, so if bsky disappeared, all content would still exist and be referenceable. Unlike AP based stuff, where everything is tied to its host server.
