Happy No-more-USA Day
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What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.
You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.
So is yours.
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Cool. Our largest nationwide protest was ~11M, most of whom were elderly. So you agree we need to grow our numbers.
Small factions of violence have historically proven to reduce resistance numbers and justify the implementation of assembly-restricting legislation.
Yeah. The protests are always elderly, disabled, and pacifist. Boy the Nazis sure are terrified of you.
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I still cannot fathom why they scheduled on a weekday for the next one. If you want turnout schedule for the weekends.
I know people should go out regardless, but they have bills to pay. A lot of people can't afford to miss a shift and vacation time is far too limited
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Because defending your democracy isn't a weekend fucking sport. How many days a week are the fascists trying to tear down your democracy? Because that's the same energy you need to bring to defend it.
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Because defending your democracy isn't a weekend fucking sport. How many days a week are the fascists trying to tear down your democracy? Because that's the same energy you need to bring to defend it.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No need to come at me, the fact of the matter is the majority of people won't take time. I take the time, but most won't. If you want the biggest impact you'll always draw the largest crowds on a weekend.
I don't disagree with you I'm just being pragmatic. A protest of 1,500 is a bigger deal than a protest of 200. That's the typical difference in my city with weekend vs weekday protests
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What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.
You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.
You're just repeating talking points and numbers, not engaging with what im saying. You can see how that might make me feel vindicated unexpectedly quickly?
I know the first piece of theory you read is very heady, but please keep reading.
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So is yours.
Provide a source contradicting my claim. That’s how adults debate. Your comment is childish banter.
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You're just repeating talking points and numbers, not engaging with what im saying. You can see how that might make me feel vindicated unexpectedly quickly?
I know the first piece of theory you read is very heady, but please keep reading.
Yes. I’ve cited sources, provided facts, and quoted statistics. You’ve repeatedly used inflammatory language to share your feelings. How could you possibly think your argument is credible based on emotion. Provide documentation refuting my claim of peaceful protests being an effective engagement system to grow our numbers and I’ll reconsider my stance, but not before.
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Is it possible ? Can US americans revolt against their own government ?
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THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT MEAN JACK SHIT TO NAZIS.
FUCK OFF, SHITLIB.
Then why haven’t we been arrested for protesting yet? Oh, right, because it’s still protected.
Maybe you should talk to a therapist about those big feelings instead of typing all caps and name-calling.
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Then why haven’t we been arrested for protesting yet? Oh, right, because it’s still protected.
Maybe you should talk to a therapist about those big feelings instead of typing all caps and name-calling.
The big word is YET.
They are funding ICE with 10 billion dollars. ICE will not be used just for immigration. It will be filled with Nationalist goons and thugs and ICE will be the group that goes after citizens and dissenters.
Give it a year and large protests against the current regime will probably not be allowed.
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Ikr, they sound so funny and not at all like the majestic yet hyper masculine beasts they are usually portrayed as.
They're wimpy birds and eat dead shit like vultures. I hate bald eagles.
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Is it possible ? Can US americans revolt against their own government ?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No it's communism
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Cool. Our largest nationwide protest was ~11M, most of whom were elderly. So you agree we need to grow our numbers.
Small factions of violence have historically proven to reduce resistance numbers and justify the implementation of assembly-restricting legislation.
Just look how effective Luigi was to scare the owner class for a few months. Wish it could keep happening.
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The big word is YET.
They are funding ICE with 10 billion dollars. ICE will not be used just for immigration. It will be filled with Nationalist goons and thugs and ICE will be the group that goes after citizens and dissenters.
Give it a year and large protests against the current regime will probably not be allowed.
So you think it makes sense to bring violence and provoke that step before we have the numbers we need for a successful resistance, rather than continuing to grow our numbers under our legal protections?
Do you see how your argument makes no sense?
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Yes. I’ve cited sources, provided facts, and quoted statistics. You’ve repeatedly used inflammatory language to share your feelings. How could you possibly think your argument is credible based on emotion. Provide documentation refuting my claim of peaceful protests being an effective engagement system to grow our numbers and I’ll reconsider my stance, but not before.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The thing about history and power is that there's always enough lies to tell any story you want to.
But generally 'peaceful' movements work best as a visible face to allow power a graceful surrender. Which means you guys get all the credit and a ton of divisive fuvking sanctimony while people willing to push in more radical ways get a little bit of night watchman syndrome. Dont let that shit work. If you try to discredit your allies, you're working for the enemy.
Theres a value in that option for non-humiliating surrender, in many cases. It's generally been a great need-for-force-divider¹ but when you're up against nazis, people with not an ounce of grace subtlety or sportsmanship within them, who do not get yo feel big for listening to people and changing course, it has not historically been useful. To them even communication is kind of an attack, so there is no way to disagree with civility, and the whole mechanism of peaceful opposition is undermined.
Your enemy, who they are, what drives them, and their horizons of action are absolutely factors that need to be taken into account when choosing strategy. These guys get hard when they think of shooting into a crowd.
The doctrine and driving force behind your people is also fucking important. It's more than just having people/not having people. A shitlib who wants to be at the party, a conscript who doesnt want to be hunted as a deserter, someone with a particular interest, and a die hard true believer, all have different horizons of action and lengths they'll push to, or be pushed to before breaking.
I do think this would have been important and the most effective thing against the biden regime, or a hypothetical harris regime, but i doubt we wouldve gotten it.
I agree violence is fucking scary and I'd rather not. I just don't think that's on the table.
¹effectively force multiplier
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So you think it makes sense to bring violence and provoke that step before we have the numbers we need for a successful resistance, rather than continuing to grow our numbers under our legal protections?
Do you see how your argument makes no sense?
I think you mistake me for someone else. I've made no argument here.
Having said that, I think you need to start doing something yesterday. You need to start shooting at ICE if they come masked, without badges or identifying names. You have no way to distinguish them from random cartel kidnappers.
If you have no idea who they are, what department they work under, if they have a valid order to take a person, or information where they are taking that person, and no way to lodge a complaint against the agent, this is basically an outlaw. A threat. A risk to life, liberty and happiness.
These people should be shot at.
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The thing about history and power is that there's always enough lies to tell any story you want to.
But generally 'peaceful' movements work best as a visible face to allow power a graceful surrender. Which means you guys get all the credit and a ton of divisive fuvking sanctimony while people willing to push in more radical ways get a little bit of night watchman syndrome. Dont let that shit work. If you try to discredit your allies, you're working for the enemy.
Theres a value in that option for non-humiliating surrender, in many cases. It's generally been a great need-for-force-divider¹ but when you're up against nazis, people with not an ounce of grace subtlety or sportsmanship within them, who do not get yo feel big for listening to people and changing course, it has not historically been useful. To them even communication is kind of an attack, so there is no way to disagree with civility, and the whole mechanism of peaceful opposition is undermined.
Your enemy, who they are, what drives them, and their horizons of action are absolutely factors that need to be taken into account when choosing strategy. These guys get hard when they think of shooting into a crowd.
The doctrine and driving force behind your people is also fucking important. It's more than just having people/not having people. A shitlib who wants to be at the party, a conscript who doesnt want to be hunted as a deserter, someone with a particular interest, and a die hard true believer, all have different horizons of action and lengths they'll push to, or be pushed to before breaking.
I do think this would have been important and the most effective thing against the biden regime, or a hypothetical harris regime, but i doubt we wouldve gotten it.
I agree violence is fucking scary and I'd rather not. I just don't think that's on the table.
¹effectively force multiplier
Your entire comment is based on your projection of a peaceful surrender. I don’t think you understand how to debate. I’m stating that peaceful resistance has successfully grown our numbers from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months. You are challenging that method. Propose a better method to mobilize tens of millions of citizens and you’ll have my attention. Otherwise, you’re just writing noise.
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Be careful though, emergency dissolution of the Senate is exactly how Palpatine gained power. There has to be a careful plan and new system ready to go and not just fall to the one person it shouldn't.
I know it's fiction, but just saying. Dissolving it is one thing, but having a coherent plan is another.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Its not even fiction. Palpatine's rise to power is based on actual history. Both the Roman Empire and WW2 Germany had that happen.
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Your entire comment is based on your projection of a peaceful surrender. I don’t think you understand how to debate. I’m stating that peaceful resistance has successfully grown our numbers from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months. You are challenging that method. Propose a better method to mobilize tens of millions of citizens and you’ll have my attention. Otherwise, you’re just writing noise.
Im criticizing the degree to which theyre mobilized, and concerned that this kind of rhetoric caps that pretty low.
You're just repeating 'line go up!' And while that's not useless, it's not enough. It doesn't win alone.
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Im criticizing the degree to which theyre mobilized, and concerned that this kind of rhetoric caps that pretty low.
You're just repeating 'line go up!' And while that's not useless, it's not enough. It doesn't win alone.
So you have no advice, only condemnation. Thanks for wasting my time. Good luck complaining the government into submission.
