Other meaning for USA people
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Do Southerners use Yankee pejoratively to refer to northerners?
I'm afraid so. There are a lot of people still fighting our Civil War, the one that supposedly ended over 150 years ago. Even without those troglodytes, there is a distinct cultural difference between the North and South, as I think there is in many countries. We tend to rub each other the wrong way sometimes.
Old joke about the difference. Walk up to a Southerner's house, and they say, "can I help you?" Walk up to a Yankee's house, and it's, "whaddya want?"
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Texan here. Yankee is definitely not a neutral word to refer to everyone from the USA. Some people down here will fight you over it, but most would just give you a confused look.
I've always understood gringo to mean white person, especially one who can't speak Spanish. The term is sometimes used in Mexican restaurants to let the staff know that you can't deal with too many jalapeños.
I've heard gringo is about language, primarily English. Not about being a whitey
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What about Canada?
They're just Americans anyways
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Do Southerners use Yankee pejoratively to refer to northerners?
Yes, since the civil war era.
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From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?
In the USA, Yankee refers to mainly northeast US, including the New York City area. Western Americans would be neutral about being called that and you might piss off some southerners.
My exposure to the term gringo has mainly been that it refers to white Americans. I don't know if you would call a black American gringo or how they would accept it.
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Yes, since the civil war era.
Or as my husband's Southern-ass grandma called it, the "war of northern agression"
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Or as my husband's Southern-ass grandma called it, the "war of northern agression"
Reflexively I wanted to downvote that
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Do you not have a term in Spanish?
If y'all use yank, yankee, or gringo, they're all fine.
But, American is fine too. If you're using English, everyone will know what you mean. It isn't like it hasn't been the term used in English for at least a century.
Here the thing. If you're referring to someone from one of the two/three americas, you specify north, central and south. That depends a little on whether you consider all three as discrete areas, or not, but that's the norm in English.
If you want to refer to all people from the americas at once, Americans is also fine. Context will carry which way you're using it. English is fairly easy to make contextual indicators like that.
An example: "oh, Americans love their flag". Which americans are we talking about? The ones with a specific American flag. Which, the statement isn't universally true, it's just an example.
If you aren't using English, it doesn't matter at all, use whatever terminology is the norm in that language.
The reason it doesn't matter is that there really isn't an "American" people in the continental sense. The cultures of the continents don't even have a unifying effect, though you do have some connection between Spanish speaking vs Portuguese, vs native, vs English, etc. The language links in South America are much more significant than the fact that they live on the same continent.
Any time you'd be referring to the entire Americas, or the peoples of them, you'd specify that because there's not a single American continent.
One nation out of all of them being america really isn't a difficulty in conversation. It's a non issue.
Most americans, the majority of whom don't live in the US, dislike the usurpation of that term. There's a longer history starting in the late 1800s of US politicians using "america", "greater america", to coincide with its imperial ambitions in Latin america and the carribean.
The USA even had a time when it had more people in its colonies living outside its contiguous borders, than it did inside.
There's a lot on this in the book, how to hide an empire.
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The reason for this is simple: the word in English is "American". Because in English speaking countries, it is almost universally the case that we talk about the 7 continents. And in the rare case we talk about 6 continents, it's from merging Europe and Asia (which, frankly, is blatantly a far superior model of the continents), not merging North America and South America.
So "America" unambiguously refers to the country, and there's no need for estadounidense, any more than there's a need for "commonwealthian" for someone from the Commonwealth of Australia.
What about it?
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Most americans, the majority of whom don't live in the US, dislike the usurpation of that term. There's a longer history starting in the late 1800s of US politicians using "america", "greater america", to coincide with its imperial ambitions in Latin america and the carribean.
The USA even had a time when it had more people in its colonies living outside its contiguous borders, than it did inside.
There's a lot on this in the book, how to hide an empire.
Most americans, the majority of whom don't live in the US
Gonna stop you right there. The number of Americans who don't live in in the US is tiny.
"American" is the demonym for someone from the United States of America. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it's been in the English language for hundreds of years, and getting angry about it doesn't change linguistics, which is defined by usage.
English speakers don't recognise the Americas as a single continent, but as two separate continents separated by the isthmus of Panama. So it doesn't make sense to have a single demonym to refer to everyone from those two continents.
The arrogance of some Spanish speakers of thinking they have the right to dictate the English language is astounding. And I refuse to buy into it. I'm not coming into Spanish-speaking spaces and trying to change how they talk about things in their language.
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I'm USAian. (just identifying for this thread, i don't call myself that)
would "gringo" include Black USAians? Asian USAians? Spain-born USAians?
from my understanding of "gringo", that doesn't seem to include non-white USAians. Most English monolingual USAians think that means "white guy".
a lot of gen z USAians might not know the word Yankee as a term for USAians. if speaking to them, you might have to explain it's not the baseball team.
maybe it's better to stick with "USAians". it's never been used but it's easy to figure out. other possible choices are:
- Statesians
- USAliens
- USAmericans
- Staters
- Stater Tots (re: tater tots)
- USticles
better yet, call each of us by the state we're each from. that's the safest bet. you know all our 50 state names right? and their official demonyms?
kiddingHonestly, reading this comment is really just reinforcing for me why we say American. Reading "USAien" over and over again hurts my head.
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From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?
German here, most of the time I say "US-American"
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From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?
In Brazil, we use USians or Statesians
I used the second one on an academic paper and it went through.
I NEVER use "American", because
America no es solo USA, papá
esto es desde el Tierra del Fuego hasta el Canada -
I've heard gringo is about language, primarily English. Not about being a whitey
Mexican upbringing here, it is most definitely a "Whitey" thing.
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Most americans, the majority of whom don't live in the US
Gonna stop you right there. The number of Americans who don't live in in the US is tiny.
"American" is the demonym for someone from the United States of America. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it's been in the English language for hundreds of years, and getting angry about it doesn't change linguistics, which is defined by usage.
English speakers don't recognise the Americas as a single continent, but as two separate continents separated by the isthmus of Panama. So it doesn't make sense to have a single demonym to refer to everyone from those two continents.
The arrogance of some Spanish speakers of thinking they have the right to dictate the English language is astounding. And I refuse to buy into it. I'm not coming into Spanish-speaking spaces and trying to change how they talk about things in their language.
Hi, Brazilian here.
I'm sorry, but "the number of Americans who don't live in the US is tiny"?? WTF?
Hi, South ~~AMERICAN!!!! here.
the US doesn't get to shove their so-called "democracy" up our asses, impose their monetary exchange, be proud of their stupid ass imperialism, force people to learn their dumb as fuck language and then go "yeah, it's OUR language, you can't dictate how we call ourselves"
Sorry, dude, but you kinda lost the privilege to "dictate" your own language when you decided to think about the whole third world as your backyard and to name yourselves after THE WHOLE FUCKING CONTINENT.
peace, bye!
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In Brazil, we use USians or Statesians
I used the second one on an academic paper and it went through.
I NEVER use "American", because
America no es solo USA, papá
esto es desde el Tierra del Fuego hasta el CanadaAmerica no es solo USA
Nah, we often call them Americans too, despite them being like Canada's trousers. Many (most? I'm not certain) Canadians know how Americans label themselves abroad and are okay being a separate group to avoid bad impressions. "eres Americano? No; soy Canadiense" or so.
But thanks for thinking of us. It's great to be considered!
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Hi, Brazilian here.
I'm sorry, but "the number of Americans who don't live in the US is tiny"?? WTF?
Hi, South ~~AMERICAN!!!! here.
the US doesn't get to shove their so-called "democracy" up our asses, impose their monetary exchange, be proud of their stupid ass imperialism, force people to learn their dumb as fuck language and then go "yeah, it's OUR language, you can't dictate how we call ourselves"
Sorry, dude, but you kinda lost the privilege to "dictate" your own language when you decided to think about the whole third world as your backyard and to name yourselves after THE WHOLE FUCKING CONTINENT.
peace, bye!
Might want to check who you're actually talking to here. You seem to be making some incorrect assumptions.
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What about Canada?
What about it?
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Most americans, the majority of whom don't live in the US, dislike the usurpation of that term. There's a longer history starting in the late 1800s of US politicians using "america", "greater america", to coincide with its imperial ambitions in Latin america and the carribean.
The USA even had a time when it had more people in its colonies living outside its contiguous borders, than it did inside.
There's a lot on this in the book, how to hide an empire.
That has very little to do with the topic, which is colloquial language as it exists now, compared and contrasted between English and Spanish in specific.
And, tbh here, if you wanna talk populations, brazil is half the population of South America. And that total is still only 100million higher than the US. Since we're talking about mainly Spanish and English here, you can decide if you want brazil included or not, but even that's still not some kind of crazy difference.
Since Canada and Mexico are the other parts of North America, and don't generally give a flying fuck about the terminology, are we going to include them in the count too? Like, the Mexicans I know use their own Spanish terms for Americans, sometimes even when speaking English.
Like, dude, I get it, you wanna link everything into colonialism and imperialism, which is fine. But let's not pretend that Americans hasn't been the term used in English across the world for damn near as long as the US has existed. It was what, 1788? 1789? That one of the French diplomats used it in writing the first time? Might have been before that, but that's the one I remember. The term was certainly in use before that.
Now, using "Americans" to refer to everyone over here did exist before the U.S., going back to at least the 1500s. I think that was only in use in English, I've never looked up what was used in French and Spanish back then. But since the USA came into being as country, it has been the default term for US citizens colloquially.
Even some of the other languages use variations of it. There's Mexicans and Nicaraguans at least that use Americanos rather than other terms. I swear the Guatemalans near here default to that as well, when they aren't using gringo or race specific terminology, but I don't have as much interaction with them.
All of which goes back to the point that the whining about it online is a fairly recent thing, and it was definitely not a thing back far as the nineties irl for the general population. That may be biased by my exposure to Latinos being almost exclusively people that live here, rather than visitors.
If people wanna try to shift language into something else, all it takes is coming up with a replacement term that's not unwieldy or stupid sounding (like usians), then getting people to use it.
But nobody has come up with a realistic english replacement. Usians isn't going to happen. You might run into it online because it's easier to type, but you won't see it used in speech because it sounds stupid. It would be like calling brits ukians.
Hell, go find something in another language, English is great at adopting words. Beikoku-jin (japanese) or Usanano (Esperanto) are cool as hell, flow off the tongue, and beikoku would definitely get the weebs on board. Give it a go, see what happens.
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That has very little to do with the topic, which is colloquial language as it exists now, compared and contrasted between English and Spanish in specific.
And, tbh here, if you wanna talk populations, brazil is half the population of South America. And that total is still only 100million higher than the US. Since we're talking about mainly Spanish and English here, you can decide if you want brazil included or not, but even that's still not some kind of crazy difference.
Since Canada and Mexico are the other parts of North America, and don't generally give a flying fuck about the terminology, are we going to include them in the count too? Like, the Mexicans I know use their own Spanish terms for Americans, sometimes even when speaking English.
Like, dude, I get it, you wanna link everything into colonialism and imperialism, which is fine. But let's not pretend that Americans hasn't been the term used in English across the world for damn near as long as the US has existed. It was what, 1788? 1789? That one of the French diplomats used it in writing the first time? Might have been before that, but that's the one I remember. The term was certainly in use before that.
Now, using "Americans" to refer to everyone over here did exist before the U.S., going back to at least the 1500s. I think that was only in use in English, I've never looked up what was used in French and Spanish back then. But since the USA came into being as country, it has been the default term for US citizens colloquially.
Even some of the other languages use variations of it. There's Mexicans and Nicaraguans at least that use Americanos rather than other terms. I swear the Guatemalans near here default to that as well, when they aren't using gringo or race specific terminology, but I don't have as much interaction with them.
All of which goes back to the point that the whining about it online is a fairly recent thing, and it was definitely not a thing back far as the nineties irl for the general population. That may be biased by my exposure to Latinos being almost exclusively people that live here, rather than visitors.
If people wanna try to shift language into something else, all it takes is coming up with a replacement term that's not unwieldy or stupid sounding (like usians), then getting people to use it.
But nobody has come up with a realistic english replacement. Usians isn't going to happen. You might run into it online because it's easier to type, but you won't see it used in speech because it sounds stupid. It would be like calling brits ukians.
Hell, go find something in another language, English is great at adopting words. Beikoku-jin (japanese) or Usanano (Esperanto) are cool as hell, flow off the tongue, and beikoku would definitely get the weebs on board. Give it a go, see what happens.
Now, using "Americans" to refer to everyone over here did exist before the U.S., going back to at least the 1500s. I think that was only in use in English, I've never looked up what was used in French and Spanish back then. But since the USA came into being as country, it has been the default term for US citizens colloquially.
Confidently wrong. US leaders didn't start referring to its citizens as americans or its country as america until ~1900.
I know you won't read the book I linked, and are going off of white-supremacist vibes, so here's an article for everyone else about the history of this imperialist usage.
