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Schooled by Trump, Americans are learning to dislike their allies

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  • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

    https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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    Magats are fucking dumb. Argue with them like it’s a chess match being a few moves ahead and you can very accurately predict what they’ll say next.

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    • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

      https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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      You could see republicans opinion change drastically and immediately in his first term based on his opinion, and democrat opinion remain relatively the same. When Obama bombed Syria, around 80 percent of Democrats and 80 percent of Republicans disapproved. When trump bombed Syria Democrats moved a few percentage points. It was probably affected, but in the deviations. Republicans swapped from 80/20 disapprove/approve straight to 20/80.

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      • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

        https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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        How was this question phrased in the survey?

        Because in a very literal sense, Canada is being unfriendly. They should be. Amerikkka needs like infinite punishment right now.

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          The fact that they can change their opinion on their close friends based upon what the president says is kind of pathetic. They call everyone else sheeple and brainwashed as they believe everything he says without question. The definition of a cult.

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          It's always -- always -- projection.

          I used to think it was only sometimes projection or often projection, but lately I've realized I was wrong. I literally can't think of an accusation the MAGAs have used that hasn't been projection.

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            i dont want to even think about actually competent and efficient nazis

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            AI and autonomous drones enters the chat.

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              Americans Republicans. FIFY

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              Now you know how us British retainers feel when people went on that we all wanted to leave the EU.

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                Like flipping a switch. Americans are completely brainwashed.

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                Republicans are brainwashed. This sort of thing happens all the time with them, on almost every issue.

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                  You could see republicans opinion change drastically and immediately in his first term based on his opinion, and democrat opinion remain relatively the same. When Obama bombed Syria, around 80 percent of Democrats and 80 percent of Republicans disapproved. When trump bombed Syria Democrats moved a few percentage points. It was probably affected, but in the deviations. Republicans swapped from 80/20 disapprove/approve straight to 20/80.

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                  There was a great chart that showed this sort of phenomenon, I think across a range of issues, but I can't find it. Can anybody help me out?

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                  • diplomjodler3@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                    We thank the Big Brother for the increase in the chocolate ration!

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                    "We thank big brother for removing overdraft fee limits"

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                    • I [email protected]

                      The US is most similar to the 2030s-early 2050s US in the Chinese-written White or Black (Chinese variant of Brave New World).

                      • An alien shows up, and an international team sent to investigate kill it by accident.
                      • A bunch of aliens show up a few years later, but they're content to float in the sky.
                      • After deciphering their language, humanity discovers that the aliens seek asylum on Earth, and they claim that the human race is doomed unless humanity does some immediate course correction.
                      • "Lol, no."
                      • Meanwhile, a group of religious MAGA Republicans (Trump is presumably dead at this point) form a religion devoting to worshiping the aliens, believing that they're angels sent by God.
                      • The aliens' predictions come to pass. The collapsed US is then taken over by the alien supporting religious organization in the late 2060s-2070s.
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                      Basically the plot of Terra Invicta.

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                      • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                        https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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                        Hope go isolationist like in past

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                          There was a great chart that showed this sort of phenomenon, I think across a range of issues, but I can't find it. Can anybody help me out?

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                          I'm sure you can find many. I know I've seen dozens of examples of conservatives changing their opinions dramatically based on propaganda, while everyone else — the people not indoctrinated with a mental illness — stay relatively static; as in +/- 5% instead of 10-40%.

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                            Republicans are brainwashed. This sort of thing happens all the time with them, on almost every issue.

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                            Both are brainwashed, just in different ways. Republicans are wired for fear. Democrats are wired for passivity.

                            The republican version is a lot more dangerous, but the democrat version is a lot more insidious.

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                              Basically the plot of Terra Invicta.

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                              Mostly, yeah.

                              The White or Black aliens are a lot nicer than the Terra Invicta aliens. They only launch their invasion because the religious organization asks them to, and even then, the aliens don't hurt anyone intentionally.

                              Looking at the Terra Invicta factions, they end up like this in White or Black:

                              • Project Exodus never gets off the ground.
                              • The Protectorate is absorbed into the Servants, as the Protectorate comes to believe that the Servants' methods are a better way to assert control over the human population.
                              • The Initiative is wiped out during World War III. Remnants are absorbed into the Resistance and Humanity First.
                              • As things get more desperate, the Resistance is absorbed into Humanity First.
                              • The Academy leads a strong alliance of nations in the East, but they are ultimately absorbed into the Servants around ~2098.
                              • Humanity First is greatly weakened in the early 22nd century, and nearly destroyed in the 23rd century, but small rebel factions continue to exist into the 27th century.
                              • The Servants control the entire Earth by the early 22nd century, and they take big steps to assert their rule in the 23rd century. They are unambiguously the winner in the 27th century.
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                                I'm sure you can find many. I know I've seen dozens of examples of conservatives changing their opinions dramatically based on propaganda, while everyone else — the people not indoctrinated with a mental illness — stay relatively static; as in +/- 5% instead of 10-40%.

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                                Yeah, that's exactly what I'm looking for, but my google-fu (or rather DDG-fu) is failing me. That's why I'm asking for help.

                                You'd think an appropriate chart would come up in a simple image search and not require archive.org. I don't think it's been memory-holed; I think I can't figure out the right search terms.

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                                • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                                  https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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                                  Even democrats going up for canada huh? Fuck man it's hard not to just give up, it feels like there's just no hope for us.

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                                    Hope go isolationist like in past

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                                    Historically, that hasn't gone well the last couple times we have tried that.

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                                      Both are brainwashed, just in different ways. Republicans are wired for fear. Democrats are wired for passivity.

                                      The republican version is a lot more dangerous, but the democrat version is a lot more insidious.

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                                      Ive spent a lot of time in the states and i can tell you unequivocally that all americans afe haddwired for fear. You are extremely jumpy and paranoid people when compared to more modern nations.

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                                        Even democrats going up for canada huh? Fuck man it's hard not to just give up, it feels like there's just no hope for us.

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                                        Maybe the amount of Democrats that see Canada as an enemy is lower than the amount of Republicans that don't see Canada as an enemy. It's hard to tell from that graph.

                                        Additionally, the blue line seems to start ticking up around 2022. I don't remember if Trump was pushing anti Canada stuff back then, but if he wasn't, then it's probably due to something completely unrelated and possibly even reasonable.

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                                          Maybe the amount of Democrats that see Canada as an enemy is lower than the amount of Republicans that don't see Canada as an enemy. It's hard to tell from that graph.

                                          Additionally, the blue line seems to start ticking up around 2022. I don't remember if Trump was pushing anti Canada stuff back then, but if he wasn't, then it's probably due to something completely unrelated and possibly even reasonable.

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                                          Could be around when there were Canadian trumpers and the whole trucker protest thing.

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