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Apparently, 12% of Technology Workers Believe that MacOS is based on Linux

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubB [email protected]

    macOS is UNIX, certified UNIX actually.

    But I mean, if someone had the merest impression of macOS and was very familiar with Linux and never bothered to look any further then I'd understand. Maybe they only played around with macOS a little and saw the terminal app had bash and most all the familiar tools as on Linux. It's not hard to see why they might've thought it's Linux based.

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    macOS is a certified UNIX, sure, but according to some 2002 specification, and if you modify your system in such matter that it will be in nearly broken state.

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      Oh? What did he do

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      Just check his video titles.

      Even without it, that snark face he uses for the thumbnails are a very big tell.

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        Lmfao. My fucking lead was arguing with me the other day how Linux is Unix. I just said ok after I saw that it was going nowhere.

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        • thiefuserpermissions@lemmy.myserv.oneT [email protected]

          The video claims ada lovelace did not write the first computer program but it would kind of depend how you define what that is. If you check wikipedia it states:

          “During 1842–1849, Ada Lovelace translated the memoir of Italian mathematician Luigi Menabrea about Charles Babbage's newest proposed machine: the Analytical Engine; she supplemented the memoir with notes that specified in detail a method for calculating Bernoulli numbers with the engine, recognized by most of historians as the world's first published computer program.”

          From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languages

          This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?

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          Because women bad.

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          • penquin@lemm.eeP [email protected]

            Lmfao. My fucking lead was arguing with me the other day how Linux is Unix. I just said ok after I saw that it was going nowhere.

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            Been there, had that conversation.

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            • thiefuserpermissions@lemmy.myserv.oneT [email protected]

              The video claims ada lovelace did not write the first computer program but it would kind of depend how you define what that is. If you check wikipedia it states:

              “During 1842–1849, Ada Lovelace translated the memoir of Italian mathematician Luigi Menabrea about Charles Babbage's newest proposed machine: the Analytical Engine; she supplemented the memoir with notes that specified in detail a method for calculating Bernoulli numbers with the engine, recognized by most of historians as the world's first published computer program.”

              From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languages

              This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?

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              This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?

              He's a long-standing member of the tech pundit community (dare I say the Linux community), and in recent years has been exposed as antivax, anti-woke, and a bigot. Before that he was just a confident sounding asshole with sometimes interesting opinions.

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                This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?

                He's a long-standing member of the tech pundit community (dare I say the Linux community), and in recent years has been exposed as antivax, anti-woke, and a bigot. Before that he was just a confident sounding asshole with sometimes interesting opinions.

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                Fair. I didnt check any of the other myths so some may well be myths. Just interesting to me that his opinion is stated as fact when its a bit of a grey area and one could easily interpret her to be the first programmer in some ways. Its not like a computer has to exist to write a computer program, for example, you can imagine a world where all computers are destroyed in an event but a surviving programmer can still write a computer program if you just handed them a stone tablet and charcoal. The non existence of a computer is problem, and a computer program written in a textbook is also valid.

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                • thiefuserpermissions@lemmy.myserv.oneT [email protected]

                  Fair. I didnt check any of the other myths so some may well be myths. Just interesting to me that his opinion is stated as fact when its a bit of a grey area and one could easily interpret her to be the first programmer in some ways. Its not like a computer has to exist to write a computer program, for example, you can imagine a world where all computers are destroyed in an event but a surviving programmer can still write a computer program if you just handed them a stone tablet and charcoal. The non existence of a computer is problem, and a computer program written in a textbook is also valid.

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                  For the record I wasn't disagreeing with your point or criticizing it at all. Just trying to give some context that might explain what you were observing.

                  🙂

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                    For the record I wasn't disagreeing with your point or criticizing it at all. Just trying to give some context that might explain what you were observing.

                    🙂

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                    Yes understand completely:)

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                      He's an anti-woke crusader and bigot. A large chunk (probably most) of his "content" is actually about that.

                      ::: spoiler CW all sorts of bigotry
                      "Best Alternatives to Woke Software", "Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork", lots of shit like that.

                      He loves talking about so-called "reverse racism", he thinks white people are oppressed in US tech.

                      Here's a recent one:

                      https://lunduke.substack.com/p/meta-ending-del-ending-fact-checking

                      They [Meta] are allowing criticism of LGTBQ+blublublub issues, including *snicker* the statement that gay people are mentally ill [...] and they're allowing vaccine skepticism on the platform [...] and it is, I'm not gonna lie, mildly hilarious.
                      :::

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                      He also says, Palestine supporters and Hamas supporters are, and I quote, one and the same.

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                      • jumuta@sh.itjust.worksJ [email protected]

                        isn't Linux Unix-like?

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                        One could argue that "based" covers this kind of inspiration 😉

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                        • adrianthefrog@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                          You could keep the kernel tho while changing the gui

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                          The windows kernel isn't all that great, particularly in the realm of memory security or scheduling.

                          You know, to each their own. Question is really whether windows maintaining a closed source kernel even makes sense from a maintenance burden perspective when it really doesn't give them much money in return. (Most of their money in 2025 comes from cloud services, not operating systems)

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                          • C [email protected]

                            This would vary by instance. I don't see that lemmy.world specifies the terms for user content, which really should be fixed.

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                            It’s a hard problem in the fediverse. It makes for a ticking time bomb of an issue. Imagine I am on a “everything is your own, we don’t sell your stuff” instance while another instance just copy pasted metas ToS. By posting a response to my instance, which then in turn is federated to the meta style instance I create something hard to solve. I can foresee other issues too.

                            I see your point. I just think it’s a difficult problem.

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                            • B [email protected]

                              Stop posting Lunduke stuff. This dude sucks and has a long history of sucking.

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                              I've come across this person's face randomly but know nothing about them. Could you help the lazy and tell me why he sucks?

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                              • C [email protected]

                                Except for the part where decades' worth of software no longer runs on Windows.

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                                Try to run old soft on windows though😓

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                                • C [email protected]

                                  Except for the part where decades' worth of software no longer runs on Windows.

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                                  Seriously, Microsoft's absurd level of commitment to backwards compatibility is the entire reason Windows has such staying power. I had to fuck around with things to get a Linux port of a ten year old game running without issues, and it was even the Steam version, but Windows will install and run most twenty year old games right off of the original CD without the user having to do anything at all.

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                                    I've come across this person's face randomly but know nothing about them. Could you help the lazy and tell me why he sucks?

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                                    Um...phrasing!

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                                      Um...phrasing!

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                                      Are we still doing phrasing?

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                                      • T [email protected]

                                        Surely it's less work to maintain security patches for a few prior versions of windows than it is to indefinitely maintain backwards compatibility

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                                        Sure, and for home users the backwards compatibility feature only really comes up for people into retro-gaming, but a significant portion of their customer base is government agencies that haven't updated their software since the '90s. The old hardware is dying, so they need new stuff, and that means something with a new OS to run it, but it also needs to be able to run an ancient program that can only be replaced if some some seventy-something who calls every console a Nintendo can be made to understand why software older than their grandkids isn't the best thing to have, and they might need to introduce and pass a bill to get it done, not to mention budgeting to commission a company to code the replacement.

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                                          I've come across this person's face randomly but know nothing about them. Could you help the lazy and tell me why he sucks?

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                                          Some dude explained below.

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